shipping primers to another poster?

[bheadboy]

I have just been told the local usps and fed ex no longer ship primers, I have some "sold" on the postings below,

any suggestions, at 81 im not interested in iron bars, just want to ship to buyer.

Bob

 

[shortgrass]

You will have to use a 'shipper' that is haz-mat certified with whatever shipping company you choose. It's been a long time since you could ship primers without being haz-mat certified.

 

[JamesnTN]

Find someone with a hazmat license to ship for you....

 

[bheadboy]

Find someone with a hazmat license to ship for you....

Thank you fellows

 

[Fast14riot]

UPS does, but will not ship any ORM-D (blue rectangle sticker) or Limited Quantity (black/white Diamond sticker) from their UPS Store centers. Best way is to pay the hazmat fees at the local hub or if you can pay it online (print and ship) you can hand it to any driver.

-Alexander

 

[Erud]

Hazmat is not as easy as just paying a fee at the hub, you actually need to be a certified hazmat shipper to do it. Involves training classes, fees, registration, etc. Also need to have a phone # on file with the carrier that is answered 24/7. For all intents and purposes, you really can't ship primers or powder at all. Some businesses that deal in reloading components don't even ship these 2 items due to the hassle. Of course there are people who just do it anyways, but it is probably not worth the risk.

 

[CJ6]

Hazmat is not as easy as just paying a fee at the hub, you actually need to be a certified hazmat shipper to do it. Involves training classes, fees, registration, etc. .

Just went through this and yes I was told I needed a license to ship from the hub

 

[Dub]

these will need to be local pick up. no other way is worth the effort.

 

[CJ6]

Find someone with a hazmat license to ship for you....

The Haz Mat LIC. needs to include powder/primer specific. We have Haz Mat shipping at work but they cannot ship powder or primers. The boss was willing but the LIC. wouldn't cover them.

 

[XTR]

For the record; I ship hazmat for a living, (mostly radioactive stuff) I've written about this on this site before. I am what is called a Subject Matter Expert in some circles, and I teach this stuff, but you don't need my powerpoint presentation here.

The only things that all but a very few can ship are loaded ammo and primed brass. There are exemptions for those, otherwise you must first be trained under 49CFR172Subpart H to know what you are doing, (a 40 hour class will teach you enough to make you dangerous) then to ship with the carriers you have to have a hazmat endorsement on your account/contract with them. The training requirement has been there since the early 90s, the contract stuff grew out of ValueJet 592 that crashed in 1996 due to un-declared hazmat in the cargo bay and killed all 110 people on-board. To a lesser extent 9-11 made things harder too.


Now if you are trying to ship with FedEx you also need to be certified to ship in accordance with the International Air Transport Association (IATA), which is an industry version of the UN Technical Instructions.

The short answer for 99.9% of the people out there is that you can't do it, and the penalties are severe.

There probably should be a sticky somewhere in the "for sale" section to this effect to let folks know.

 

[DogBuster]

shipping undeclared 'haz mat' is not worth the problems that could arise......

 

[Cakes]

++ to what everyone had to say about a license being required. After close to 30 years in the airlines it was always the "undeclared" stuff that was going to create problems that could lead to a catastrophic event like an on-board fire. "Known" shippers go thru extensive training on what and how to package haz-mat and for very good reason. As I left the industry the current hot item and still is ...lithium style batteries. Improperly packaged and susceptible to damage, they can lead to an unstoppable thermal run-away. More than a few good crews and aircraft have already been lost to this nasty battery situation. Eric in DL

 

[TAJ45]

For the record; I ship hazmat for a living, (mostly radioactive stuff) I've written about this on this site before. I am what is called a Subject Matter Expert in some circles, and I teach this stuff, but you don't need my powerpoint presentation here.

The only things that all but a very few can ship are loaded ammo and primed brass. There are exemptions for those, otherwise you must first be trained under 49CFR172Subpart H to know what you are doing, (a 40 hour class will teach you enough to make you dangerous) then to ship with the carriers you have to have a hazmat endorsement on your account/contract with them. The training requirement has been there since the early 90s, the contract stuff grew out of ValueJet 592 that crashed in 1996 due to un-declaired hazmat in the cargo bay and killed all 110 people on-board. To a lesser extent 9-11 made things harder too.


Now if you are trying to ship with FedEx you also need to be certified to ship in accordance with the International Air Transport Association (IATA), which is an industry version of the UN Technical Instructions.

The short answer for 99.9% of the people out there is that you can't do it, and the penalties are severe.

There probably should be a sticky somewhere in the "for sale" section to this effect to let folks know.

XTR - thanks very much for the explanation as well as the "chapter and verse". Nice to know the bottom line. I second the sticky Admin. That would be great due diligence.

 

[/VH]

Bob,

Looks like the buyer is going to have to ship you his brass and you'll have to prime it and ship it back.

 

[Phil]

This is what I was thinking^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Shynloco]

Bob,
Might I suggest you consider cancelling the transaction for obvious reasons and try and sell your primers locally. A much easier solution than all the other suggestions.

Alex

 

[JimPag]

Definition of Haz-Mat: LEGALIZED EXTORTION

 

[XTR]

Definition of Haz-Mat: LEGALIZED EXTORTION

No, not even close. Every employee in the transportation chain has to have training to touch the shipment in any way. For a company like UPS that means trainining upwards of 390,000 people. Each one probably gets 4 to 8 hours of HAZMAT training, the minimum is every 3 yrs as required by DOT, probably closer to every yr. Try to swallow the cost of a minimum of 1.5million man hours and tell me it's extortion.

DOT levies more fines for training than any other violation. For every employee that is involved in shipping hasmat and not trained it is a $500 per day per employee fine. The larges fine handed down in DOT history was levied against UPS in about 1996 for training. It was millions.

Try doing what I do for a living and find a way to ship Class 7 (radioactive) samples from a remote site to a lab for analysis, if it weren't for FedEx we'd have to pay private couriers, to ship from say a site in Fairbanks to a lab in Denver, or from where I am now in Utah to a lab in Missouri. I was on a site recently that had shipped close to 2000 samples in 3 yrs to support waste shipping. (well north or $1M in lab fees alone) Now take into acccount that on many of these sites it's tax dollars paying the freight and think about how much more these cleanups would cost with out transportation support.

My company spends close to $10k per yr in salary, travel, and training to keep my DOT/IATA/DoD certifications current.

No, we can be damned glad that these companies are willing to take our piddly arse shipments for the minor fee, it is far more of a bother than a revuene stream.

 

[SDDasher]

"IF" there is one thing on this planet that I think the government should regulate it has to be hazardous material for obvious reasons. I'm glad someone is at the switch with this stuff. Probably because of previous tragedy. JMTCW.

 

[rardoin]

Definition of Haz-Mat: LEGALIZED EXTORTION

I recall the Value-Jet crash clearly as I was at the family home near Key West when it went down in the Everglades with loss of all souls on board. Proper Haz-mat training and protocol would have prevented the fire in the cargo hold that brought down the aircraft. I am more comfortable while flying commercial knowing that I am less likely to have improperly packaged and dangerous cargo below my seat. I am against any unnecessary government regulations.....which seems like most are......particularly federal....but I am OK with covering the shipper's Hazmat costs.