Scope Turret Without Clicks

[xswanted]

what you are clearly missing( do not believe) is that manually turning with no clicks is not prcise nor repeatable in a precise movement. it is all human movement hoping for repeatability, while click on a top end scope ARE REPEATABLE, NOT A HOPE NOR A GUESS.
it is your mistaken belief that is the issue not the scopes

Explain to me how the click effects the movement of the erector tube?


I’m not arguing that the click helps the user but if a scopes ability to be precise was strictly based off the audible and felt click there Seoul be some really cheap scopes that would be regarded as the “best” because they have a audible and tactile feeling click.


I’m assuming you know how the internals of a scope work.

 

[Gman]

The click is a reference for the operator yes. It gives the operator the ability to make sure the scope moves “x” amount of his or her favorite unit of measurement.

What I’m getting at is the scope itself is no more or less “precise” with or without the click. The erector tube moves smoothly it just stops exactly whatever your clicks are referenced in.

If you took one of mine or yours $2000+ optics and removed the “click” then proceeded to turn the knob from 0 to 5 of whatever unit of measurement the scope is in, the erector tube will move the same amount with it without the click of the turret.


One could actually argue a scope without clicks could be more precisely adjusted than one with clicks given you have a fluid turret versus one that will only move in the “x” distance of clicks.

You make a very good point about the precision of a "fluid turret". It makes sense.

 

[ronemus]

Clicks allow you to dial precise corrections WITHOUT LOOKING! When the shooting needs to proceed quickly, you don't want to break position to look at the dial(s). Clicks allow you to keep your target in view, your head in position, and focus on conditions. If you take your head off the rifle you may miss a condition change, may not get your head back in the same location, and will take longer to make the next shot vs. staying on the rifle.

 

[johnfred1965]

For what it is worth, after my last PD shoot, I reset my Leupold scope with friction turrets to 0. My other rifle, with a quality scope I won't name for bashing,clicked back to 0 also. After a week of dialing for wind and elevation, the loopy came back to less than 1/2 moa while the clicker was 1 1/2 off. Just sayun

 

[PhilKeil]

Maybe think about this with another tool.
How precise would barrels be machined if the machinist could only make adjustments in clicks? choice 1 click is way to much removed or not remove enough.
Would you accept that slop or be able to have the precision and minimal variability we all desire?
just some thoughts from looking at it a different way.

 

[762plinker]

Maybe think about this with another tool.
How precise would barrels be machined if the machinist could only make adjustments in clicks? choice 1 click is way to much removed or not remove enough.
Would you accept that slop or be able to have the precision and minimal variability we all desire?
just some thoughts from looking at it a different way.

yes but it actually does not apply
the dials on my lathe are 2 to 6" in dia, with handles even bigger.
and i have a dro that goes to 5 places...yes i can repeat with no clicks, but i would not want a rifle that weighs 2000 lbs
sorry it just does not apply

 

[dthomas]

What is it about the clicks that you don't like? If you need Finner adjustments you can get one with 1/8 moa turrets, they seem to work fine for the bench rest guys.

 

[Fred Bohl]

Speaking as a retired Benchrest shooter, be advised that 1/8 MOA is about half the size of a competitive group or the difference between 10 and 9 in score match. Therefore I would prefer finer clicks if available as I hold off for finer corrections currently.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

So, remove the click and shoot 50 rounds. What's keeping you scope on zero? Will it nudge a fraction out of zero with each round fired? What's holding it in place?

If there was an advantage to non click scopes, they would be on the market and selling like hotcakes.

 

[Fred Bohl]

Nick, if you are replying to me, note that I said that I would prefer finer clicks not non click.

For many years I spent October and early November boresighting rifles for deer hunters here in Wisconsin and at last count it has been more than 1500. Many of them have and still use older scopes that were non click turrets using friction to hold settings. Most that reappeared on my bench year to year were back for re-zero due to changes of ammo or lost track of windage zero and sometimes because the rifle was dropped. For the most part, they all stay where set up to 7mm Rem Mag. as far as recoil on hunting weight rifles goes.

There was a father and son pair that had me re-check zero on their rifles for 15 years. Both had non click turrets and did not need re-adjust except when they changed to different bullet weights in their 7mm Mag rifles. They did finally update their scopes to 1/4 MOA click adjust modern scopes just before the father died and the son no longer hunts. Just a note, they both shot at least one deer each the 15 years with the old non click scopes.