School me on Warne/Talley/Kimber bases&rings

[Idaho-Lefty]

Steel's,.. good ! I never, want to, remove my Scopes as, POI "could" change.
I'm just, Old School with,.. WHAT,. "works" and what, I KNOW, can stand,.. the Recoil.
I know that, the Talley's and Aluminum, IS,. "trendy" !
The FIRST "Cold Bore" shot is what, counts !

 

[JimT]

As a former Gunsmith and having mounted, MANY Scopes on some, Powerful Rifles,... I now use, Burris, STEEL,.. Zee Rings, LAPPED and Loctited on all 5 of, my Hunting Rifles from, .22-250 to .270 WSM !
Steel Rings, can be re-used and remounted,.. repeatedly, if desired !
Aluminum,.. NOT so, much ! Couple of Ounces, more weight,.. NO big, deal !!
Read the last Paragraph of PBking above, that's WHY,.. I DON'T use, Aluminum !!
Just DON'T,.. drop your Rifle !
PROTECT,.. IT !

Most of my bases and rings are Talley steel. I much prefer these to CHINESE Burris rings.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Burris won't put their name, on "Junk".
It's sad that, they come from China,.. BUT they,. WORK,. "well" for, me.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I do not like two piece rings that also have two separate attachment points. Don’t like two piece bases whether the bases are integrated into each ring individually or not.

For two piece rings I like Seekins with a good sturdy one piece picatinny rail.

If I want an integrated base for maximum toughness and rigidity, I go for a one piece unimount from Spuhr or NightForce.

I'm not saying Talley are bad rings, they just are not as tough as the other rings I prefer from Seekins, Spuhr, or NF.

 

[McFred]

PBKing, personally, I'd avoid the basic, cheap, vertically-split Warne Maxima rings. I think you'd be fine with their Quick Detach or their "Mountain Tech" flavors, if that's what's available to you. Some people have identifiied some incompatibility on some scopes with the vertically split style of rings affecting the elevation turret tracking.

I don't see any issue with the aluminum Mountain Techs. It's a very similar design to the Nightforce Ultralights, just heavier. I've been using a set since 2018 without issue on a NF ATACR, but it's a heavy gun w/o much use or recoil:

The Non-QD Warne Maxima design is a balancing act between the 2 bottom screws that clamp the rings to the base and the top 2 screws that hold the scope tube. If the scope or the mount (or the receiver e.g. Rem 700) are out-of-spec/crooked then the "proper" screw torque can leave one side of the "fulcrum" looser than the other. It's quite possible to be the victim of production tolerances.

The Warne Quick Detach design does not require the same balance of forces to work. There's a flat where 2 screws clamp both ring halves together (similar to the Talley steel vertically-split design) and one additional screw securing the scope/ring assembly to the mount. The two screws at the top clamp the scope tube and are, for the most part, independent of the other three. In my opinion, the design's more tolerant of variation in mount and scope tube tolerances. It's still a PITA to mount scopes precisely with the reticle level though.

I've had no issue with 30mm Warne QDs on a 7mm Mag LR steel rifle. Literally thousands of rounds and 3 barrels from 100-2000 yards working the elevation turret on a NF NXS scope for 10 years. Removing the scope and reinstalling is very repeatable.

FWIW, some people have had issues with their Talley Lightweights, though it could very well be operator error (I don't own any):
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/16026817/1

 

[PBking51]

PBKing, personally, I'd avoid the basic, cheap, vertically-split Warne Maxima rings. I think you'd be fine with their Quick Detach or their "Mountain Tech" flavors, if that's what's available to you. Some people have identifiied some incompatibility on some scopes with the vertically split style of rings affecting the elevation turret tracking.

I don't see any issue with the aluminum Mountain Techs. It's a very similar design to the Nightforce Ultralights, just heavier. I've been using a set since 2018 without issue on a NF ATACR, but it's a heavy gun w/o much use or recoil:

The Non-QD Warne Maxima design is a balancing act between the 2 bottom screws that clamp the rings to the base and the top 2 screws that hold the scope tube. If the scope or the mount (or the receiver e.g. Rem 700) are out-of-spec/crooked then the "proper" screw torque can leave one side of the "fulcrum" looser than the other. It's quite possible to be the victim of production tolerances.

The Warne Quick Detach design does not require the same balance of forces to work. There's a flat where 2 screws clamp both ring halves together (similar to the Talley steel vertically-split design) and one additional screw securing the scope/ring assembly to the mount. The two screws at the top clamp the scope tube and are, for the most part, independent of the other three. In my opinion, the design's more tolerant of variation in mount and scope tube tolerances. It's still a PITA to mount scopes precisely with the reticle level though.

I've had no issue with 30mm Warne QDs on a 7mm Mag LR steel rifle. Literally thousands of rounds and 3 barrels from 100-2000 yards working the elevation turret on a NF NXS scope for 10 years. Removing the scope and reinstalling is very repeatable.

FWIW, some people have had issues with their Talley Lightweights, though it could very well be operator error (I don't own any):
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/16026817/1

Thank you for the detailed explanation. After taking a better look at these rings and bases, 80% of what I have is Kimber of Oregon manufacture. The rings and similar to the qd Warnes and talleys and are a Glossy blued steel. There is 1 hex head screw in the bottom and one on the top. Half of the boxes I have with individual bases are silver kimber boxes and the warne are NOS that actually share the same part numbers 4051 and 4052 and appear to be identical. The fellow I got these off of had written kimber low, med, high on sandwich bags where one of the rings was wrapped in a paper towel so avoid them marring each other. I think I will hold off putting them on anything but one of my classic 700s which are in 6.5x55, 7x57 and 8mm rem mag. Not being that light and also not being a matte finish, the would look out of place on a CA ridgeline in 300wsm, though I understand they can handle the sharp recoil.

 

[INTJ]

Talley lightweight one piece ring base units are extremely stout. I have shot them on many rifles generating 40-50 ft lbs of recoil, and I have hunted with them in rugged and nasty terrain. I have never had any issues with them, and they are perfect for a lighter weight hunting rifle.

The reason they are so strong while being lightweight is because they are one piece. This means there cannot be any movement between the ring and the base.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

The Warne Maxima horizontal steel rings are really good too, especially at their price point to use on a picattany rail when you don’t want to spend the money on my first choice of Seekins rings.
On these rings Warne’s medium height is very close to the same as a Seekins high ring.