Savage LRPV 6BR

[6bra1k]

@Gary C Probably get some good info here as well.

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your milage may vary, but to me savage shooters is about production hunting rifles , but they know little about real bench accuracy. been there done that got tired of the bs.
so stay here for real accuracy i have 2 of these rifles, both in 308 win

 

[Old Navy]

The Savage factory team were the people that came up with the 30-30-10 on the Benchrest and F-Class rifles. I have two Benchrest rifles also. Depends which barrel I have mounted what the torque is but the first two on both are 30-30 and the last might be 10,15 20 or 30. My third action is in a Hs Precision. I think they recommended 60 on all three. I am running 40 on all three. Torque them to where they shoot the best.

 

[k80skeet]

Skeet,
Are these stock rifles or have they been rebarreled and had other work done?

G

These are stock Savage barrels. 1 in 12 twist. I bought one brand new complete rifle. The other used barreI bought off the site used with 200 rounds through it is a newer fluted barrel. I then bought a new Target Action RBLP and a used H&S LRPV stock from this site and made another rifle. I will buy all these 1 in 12 twist Savage barrels I can find. Savage hasn't made these barrels for at least 10 years. For 100 & 200 yard shooting they are far better than the 1 in 8 twist by a long long ways.

 

[Gary C]

I assume the factory team are shooting FTR/F class stocks of wood laminate so I also expect the torque would be diferent for these.
Bedded i'm sure.
The LRPV has the HS stock with the bedding block and that is a whole different animal.
I will start at 50 inlbs on the front two screws and 10 on the rear and work the rear up in increments to see what if any effect on the group size will be.
As I said i'm starting with a rifle and load that shoots in the .300s.
I'm not expecting much but if you don't try stuff you for sure won't see any improvments.

 

[k80skeet]

I assume the factory team are shooting FTR/F class stocks of wood laminate so I also expect the torque would be diferent for these.
Bedded i'm sure.
The LRPV has the HS stock with the bedding block and that is a whole different animal.
I will start at 50 inlbs on the front two screws and 10 on the rear and work the rear up in increments to see what if any effect on the group size will be.
As I said i'm starting with a rifle and load that shoots in the .300s.
I'm not expecting much but if you don't try stuff you for sure won't see any improvments.

On the Target Action I use 35inch pounds on the (2) front screws and 25# on the rear, This works the best for me on (4) different rifles. You can try decreasing the 25# on the rear screw and see if it gets better if it doesn't try increasing it. I found the 25# worked the best in my rifles.

 

[PigButtons]

OK,
I bought a Savage LRPV in 6BR last fall and topped it with a Sightron 10X50X56.
I intended and do to use this for our ( what I call ) geezers benchresr group on Monday AMs.
There are no custom BR rifles used by anyone and the guys use everything from .308 to .223.
The rifle is stock as shipped with no truing,bedding or other work done.
This is my first venture into shooting for groups and I am having a BALL!
My latest test was with Berger 105 VLD over 29.7 of Varget seated .015 into the lands from touch.
Average for the three five shot test groups was .343 with the best at .287.
I have 30 loaded for another larger test lot.
Now my question.
If my next test groups average in the mid .300 should I consider being done with component selection
and load development ?
Has anyone had or known first hand of a bone stock Savage that would CONSISTENTLY group
in the 200s in good conditions?
Or have I reached what should be considered this rifles potential.

@Gary C , if you haven't already read this thread you may want to check it out. Your OP only mentioned .015 jam, but there can be a lot of room for improvement in seating depth.

Whats .001 of seating depth worth?

I like to post targets that are very good examples. And this one is a great example of seating depth at 1k at Deep Creek that Tom Mousel shot tuning before the match. We know +6 shoots and +4 blows up, have not seen +5 yet. Most likely the window is +6-+8 which is very normal for a Vapor...

forum.accurateshooter.com

 

[6bra1k]

and everything about torque is very dependent on stock material pillars and bedding. what works on a "stock" lr wood stock likely aint the same for a composite or/and pillar bedded stock

 

[Gary C]

Thanks for all of the replies.
I went to the range and started with the two front at 50 inlbs and the rear at 10.
shot a three shot group in 5 inlb increments and accuracy was nothing noteworthy.
everything shot .5.6 right up to 40 on th erear where i finished for the day.
My next trip out will start at 60 INlbs in all three and I will work the back screw down in 5inlb steps and compare targets to see if there is a pattern that has information in it.
This kind if tinkering is where a lot of the fun is for me!

 

[moorepower]

and everything about torque is very dependent on stock material pillars and bedding. what works on a "stock" lr wood stock likely aint the same for a composite or/and pillar bedded stock

That is why its best to test on every rifle. It can effect harmonics, even on HS stock. I have 2 of those.

 

[moorepower]

Thanks for all of the replies.
I went to the range and started with the two front at 50 inlbs and the rear at 10.
shot a three shot group in 5 inlb increments and accuracy was nothing noteworthy.
everything shot .5.6 right up to 40 on th erear where i finished for the day.
My next trip out will start at 60 INlbs in all three and I will work the back screw down in 5inlb steps and compare targets to see if there is a pattern that has information in it.
This kind if tinkering is where a lot of the fun is for me!

Have you played much with seating depth?

 

[Gary C]

Moorpower.
I have gone in and out using several different bullets.
I find and record touch and jam for any bullet that I try.
I have not done much jumping by my definition shorter than touch.
I did try a few diferent loads with the bullet that seems to work best, Berger 108.
.015 into the lands is a good firm jam and I pretty much hang around there.

 

[k80skeet]

Skeet,
Are these stock rifles or have they been rebarreled and had other work done?

G

Rechamber to a short throat .40 freebore and .268 neck. But it is all stock Savage barrel. Savage chambered all the barrel the same both 1 in 12 & 1 in 8 so the 1 in 12 has too much freebore 65gr bullets aren't even in the case when touching lands.

 

[dusterdave173]

Try 450 primers mine really liked them I used Varget and 107 SMK
Great rifles --Have fun!

 

[k80skeet]

Try 450 primers mine really liked them I used Varget and 107 SMK
Great rifles --Have fun!

I have used the 450's but I like the CCI BR-4's far better. Give them a try I believe you will find they are far better.

 

[Paddyd]

OK,
I bought a Savage LRPV in 6BR last fall and topped it with a Sightron 10X50X56.
I intended and do to use this for our ( what I call ) geezers benchresr group on Monday AMs.
There are no custom BR rifles used by anyone and the guys use everything from .308 to .223.
The rifle is stock as shipped with no truing,bedding or other work done.
This is my first venture into shooting for groups and I am having a BALL!
My latest test was with Berger 105 VLD over 29.7 of Varget seated .015 into the lands from touch.
Average for the three five shot test groups was .343 with the best at .287.
I have 30 loaded for another larger test lot.
Now my question.
If my next test groups average in the mid .300 should I consider being done with component selection
and load development ?
Has anyone had or known first hand of a bone stock Savage that would CONSISTENTLY group
in the 200s in good conditions?
Or have I reached what should be considered this rifles potential.

Consistently? No. I own 2 Savages. An old 110FP in 308 and an older 12LRPV that started as a 204R. The 204 ALWAYS had fliers. Good groups, but fliers, cold or hot. The 308 was better, but still had the cold bore fliers. I rebarreled both with a CBI match barrel. Changed the 204 into 223R. And it is day and night difference, both with accuracy and consistency. A quality match grade, stress relieved barrel will always be better and more forgiving than any factory tube you get.

 

[k80skeet]

Consistently? No. I own 2 Savages. An old 110FP in 308 and an older 12LRPV that started as a 204R. The 204 ALWAYS had fliers. Good groups, but fliers, cold or hot. The 308 was better, but still had the cold bore fliers. I rebarreled both with a CBI match barrel. Changed the 204 into 223R. And it is day and night difference, both with accuracy and consistency. A quality match grade, stress relieved barrel will always be better and more forgiving than any factory tube you get.

Give the Urbanrifleman's barrels ( Site Sponsor) a try. Those Wilson barrels really shoot. Really hard to beat for $319 all chambered and threaded. I sure like the one's I have.

 

[Paddyd]

Give the Urbanrifleman's barrels ( Site Sponsor) a try. Those Wilson barrels really shoot. Really hard to beat for $319 all chambered and threaded. I sure like the one's I have.

Tell me more. What chambers and do they do both small and large shank Savage barrels?

 

[k80skeet]

Tell me more. What chambers and do they do both small and large shank Savage barrels?

Yes, they do both. I have bought (4) of his barrels. They are all Wilson barrels. Wilson made all the barrels for Cooper Rifles and I have a few of those and they are great and offer a guarantee to shoot under 1/2". Bardley Walker is a great guy to do business with. He ships with 2 weeks after your order. Just go to his web site and pick what you want. He is making me a 6mmbr large shank with .30 freebore with a 1 in 12 twist. I can't say enough good about his barrels. They shoot little tiny one hole groups. Check out his site and look a all the feedbacks. You will be impressed for sure. If you want to contact me PM me. Russ

 

[Paddyd]

Yes, they do both. I have bought (4) of his barrels. They are all Wilson barrels. Wilson made all the barrels for Cooper Rifles and I have a few of those and they are great and offer a guarantee to shoot under 1/2". Bardley Walker is a great guy to do business with. He ships with 2 weeks after your order. Just go to his web site and pick what you want. He is making me a 6mmbr large shank with .30 freebore with a 1 in 12 twist. I can't say enough good about his barrels. They shoot little tiny one hole groups. Check out his site and look a all the feedbacks. You will be impressed for sure. If you want to contact me PM me. Russ

I will. Thanks.

 

[Ajohnce]

I have both the 12 and 8 twist barrel. The 8 twist I replaced with a Broughton barrel. I have to agree with the gentlemen about the 12 twist being more accurate than the factory 8 twist.
If you’re going to shoot 300 yards and under then the 12 twist with 60-80 grain Bergers will outshoot the 8 twist in my opinion.
I always hear “get the 8 twist and you can shoot all 6mm bullets”. That’s true but slower twists barrels just seem to shoot better to 300 yards. A well tuned 12-14 twist BR will almost run with a PPC at times!