Savage ejection problem even after ejector and extractor upgrade

[Raider15]

Hi All,

This is my first post here, sorry for the long post, wanting to give full background on situation. I’m looking for some advice on how to fix my Savage 11 now chambered in 6.5 CM. It is not ejecting spent casings from the receiver and is just dropping them in the receiver which I have to pluck out. I use the rifle for PRS and this has become a serious issue where I can rarely finish a stage and get all rounds off in time.

Background on the rifle: bought as a savage hog hunter chambered in .308, used to eject and function perfectly. recently put a Shilen select match barrel on it chambered in 6.5CM to be better suited for PRS, rifle sits in a KRG bravo chassis. During first match with 6.5 barrel on it ejection was a problem so I upgraded the ejection plunger and extractor (kit with larger ball bearing and stiffer springs as well) and the problem is almost worse. Currently shooting Hornady factory loads.

It seems that the casings are getting caught on the bolt rails and it’s pulling them off of the extractor and then just dropping in the receiver. Has anyone found a solution for this?

 

[Raider15]

Hi All,

This is my first post here, sorry for the long post, wanting to give full background on situation. I’m looking for some advice on how to fix my Savage 11 now chambered in 6.5 CM. It is not ejecting spent casings from the receiver and is just dropping them in the receiver which I have to pluck out. I use the rifle for PRS and this has become a serious issue where I can rarely finish a stage and get all rounds off in time.

Background on the rifle: bought as a savage hog hunter chambered in .308, used to eject and function perfectly. recently put a Shilen select match barrel on it chambered in 6.5CM to be better suited for PRS, rifle sits in a KRG bravo chassis. During first match with 6.5 barrel on it ejection was a problem so I upgraded the ejection plunger and extractor (kit with larger ball bearing and stiffer springs as well) and the problem is almost worse. Currently shooting Hornady factory loads.

It seems that the casings are getting caught on the bolt rails and it’s pulling them off of the extractor and then just dropping in the receiver. Has anyone found a solution for this?

Follow up, I see that there are dozens of threads addressing this very issue but most of the answers are advising to replace extractor with extended extractor, bigger ball bearing, new ejector plunger with springs. I’ve already done all of these.

I have not replaced the factory bolt head with one that has tighter tolerances and I will if that will solve the problem but it seems that may not be the problem because it was working fine when it was a .308 and is not at all now that it’s a 6.5

 

[K9TXS]

That should be a fairly simple fix. My Savage model 10 had the same ejection issues.

Check out this link; Lumley Arms

I replaced the parts that come with the kit and problem was solved. The small steel ball is slightly larger than the factory and the replacement ejector spring is slightly stronger. Easy install

 

[DShortt]

If you can post photos, post a picture of your brass. I suspect your new barrel has a rough chamber.
Second possibility is your brass is not adequately sized for your new barrel chamber. What sizing techniques are you using and what brass are you using?
A properly functioning factory Savage extractor should be fine. If it's not then there's a reason for it and it's not the extractor.
And probably most obvious, don't forget the ejection pin. That's what flips the cartridge out of the receiver.

 

[Turkeytider]

If you haven`t already, you might consider additionally taking your issue to Savageshooters.com and going to the 110 subforum. Dave Hoback and Charlie b know just about everything there is to know about Savage rifles.

 

[Rocketvapor]

Case head diameter of your 6.5 OK?
Compared to your 308 cases?
Bolt lift easy?

 

[Eagle Six]

You didn't say what happened when you initially shot the new barrel, rather during the first PRS shoot. Did it have the same extraction issue when you sighted in?

How, who set the headspace and what is your headspace? Is it possible the bolt face is making contact with the barrel?

Can you load your factory rounds, not fire, unload and do they extract normally?

What if any marks on the fired brass are there that may indicate something in the chamber causing drag?

I haven't owned or shot a Savages in so many years and then I didn't have extraction issues with any of them, so my suggestions may be way off base!

 

[marazzi59]

How is it with resized brass and fired but not resized brass

 

[Raider15]

Thank you all for the replies, I can post pictures when I return home, I am shooting factory Hornady 147eldms and I did the headspace myself with a go and no go gauge from northland shooter supply.

Ammo chambers fine but I haven’t tried to extract loaded rounds to see if they eject, I can try that as well when I get home.

There’s no markings on spent cases and no indication of anything strange on them, when I was sighting the new barrel in, it was ejecting some and dropping some in the receiver. Then the first PRS match, it ejected roughly 60% of the rounds well and only dropped some.

Now it fails to eject probably 95% of the time and leaves nearly every shell casing in the receiver.

 

[Raider15]

 

[Raider15]

It’s kicking the casings to the side and then they’re dropping off of the extractor most of the time but sometimes the extractor is losing grip of the casing as soon as it exits the chamber of the barrel

 

[Raider15]

You didn't say what happened when you initially shot the new barrel, rather during the first PRS shoot. Did it have the same extraction issue when you sighted in?

How, who set the headspace and what is your headspace? Is it possible the bolt face is making contact with the barrel?

Can you load your factory rounds, not fire, unload and do they extract normally?

What if any marks on the fired brass are there that may indicate something in the chamber causing drag?

I haven't owned or shot a Savages in so many years and then I didn't have extraction issues with any of them, so my suggestions may be way off base!

I tested ejecting loaded rounds and it is dropping those too, tried 5 different rounds and dropped all of them.

 

[DShortt]

Check your ejector pin and make certain it's operating freely. Also check to make sure your 1 piece scope mount isn't interfering with ejection.
To be clear, this is an ejection issue and not an extraction issue. Details matter.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Try this...Remove the ejector and use a dremel or a file to lengthen the flat milled into it about .030 or so, lengthening the stroke of the ejector. It'll keep tension on the case longer, keeping it hooked under the extractor. Not uncommon on several actions but typically on very short cases where the angle becomes too sttep for it to stay hooked as it clears the chamber.

 

[Rocketvapor]

Extractor looks like it yanked hard on that case rim.
Clean up under the edge?

 

[Raider15]

Try this...Remove the ejector and use a dremel or a file to lengthen the flat milled into it about .030 or so, lengthening the stroke of the ejector. It'll keep tension on the case longer, keeping it hooked under the extractor. Not uncommon on several actions but typically on very short cases where the angle becomes too sttep for it to stay hooked as it clears the chamber.

By flat, do you mean the flat part under the extractor “hook”? Increasing the distance between the “hook” and bolt face?

I’m not sure what to call the part of the extractor that actually grams the case rim, it kinda functions like a hook so that’s what I’ll call it for now lol

 

[Raider15]

Extractor looks like it yanked hard on that case rim.
Clean up under the edge?

I did notice the slightest gouge on the rim of shell casings after I installed this extended extractor. I couldn’t capture a good picture of it though.

Check your ejector pin and make certain it's operating freely. Also check to make sure your 1 piece scope mount isn't interfering with ejection.
To be clear, this is an ejection issue and not an extraction issue. Details matter.

I checked the ejector pin and it’s very stiff but it’s moving freely, if I put an empty casing in the bolt face I can depress it and it pushes the case back out with authority if I release it

 

[Eagle Six]

View attachment 1536644

On the face of the bolt head on the right side as we are viewing in this photo, is that a bare metal rub mark or just a reflection from lighting in the photo?

 

[Raider15]

On the face of the bolt head on the right side as we are viewing in this photo, is that a bare metal rub mark or just a reflection from lighting in the photo?

That does look like a bare metal rub, the finish has been scratched off it looks like here’s a better picture of it

 

[Raider15]

That does look like a bare metal rub, the finish has been scratched off it looks like here’s a better picture of itView attachment 1536665

Is this a bad sign?