Savage ejection problem even after ejector and extractor upgrade

[Dgd6mm]

What is a Tinney's kit?

 

[Sniperhandle]

What is a Tinney's kit?

It's Kinneys

Their website isn't working, Maybe they no longer make them.

 

[spudgun]

You right it is Kinney's (fat fingers strikes again)

Just got a kit on 9/17.

https://kinneysshootingsupply.com/contact-us/

Looks like they are down for web maintenance.

Trust me they do work (it's the redesigned ejector that grabs the base of the brass and kicks it out.

 

[25ring]

I solved the problem with my Savage Axis. Since I shoot it off the bench I pulled the ejector and spring out and just pull the spent cartridge off the bolt. Should have done it to start with,beats chasing brass on the bench.

 

[Turkeytider]

One needs to make sure that one is having problems with ALL brands of brass. While the Kinney kit is certainly worth it ( I got one in case I had problems. Also, it is a law of nature akin to gravity, if you want an original part to never fail, buy a spare !), it may not be your original extractor and ejector if you’re only having issues with Hornady brass. That’s what’s happened with mine.

 

[rjtfroggy]

Go to hardware store pick up a 0.140 ball bearing and replace the ball under the extractor. Should solve your problem for about a dime.

 

[DShortt]

Go to hardware store pick up a 0.140 ball bearing and replace the ball under the extractor. Should solve your problem for about a dime.

Heard this suggestion more than once. I know the ball bearing works when you lose one. I've no experience regarding extractor repair.

 

[DLT]

So... I fought this exact problem with a couple of Savage actions. Only in 6.5CM. Barrels in other calibers worked just fine.

Wanna know what the problem is?

The brass. Specifically, Hornady.

Bear with me here.

The short version is that Hornady has a little looser tolerances on their extractor groove diameter than most - specifically they allow it to be *smaller* than most other brands (everything I tested, personally, but not exhaustive). The hook on the extractor is able to pull the case out of the chamber, but if it can't bottom out in the groove, the case becomes 'unlatcheded' when it clears the chamber and the ejector is pushing sideways on it. The case just drops right in the ejection port. Not every time, because not *all* Hornady cases are on the small size in the groove - just some.

If you go and cycle the brass through the gun, you'll find some that will eject *every* time, no problem. And you'll find some that will not eject, no way, just drop right there in the ejection port. And you'll find a few that will go either way, depending on how you manipulate the bolt. Take the ones that eject every time, and the ones that fail every time, and measure the groove diameter with a caliper - you'll see the difference.

IIRC, there is a max spec for the groove diameter, which most manufacturers stick pretty close to - more meat in that area means the primer pocket is a little bit stronger. *Technically* Hornady is still above the absolute rock bottom minimum spec diameter for the groove... but not by much, and somewhat inconsistent. Not surprisingly, Hornady brass also has somewhat of a rap for having 'soft' primer pockets compared to more premium brands - I suspect this might be part of why that is.

The easiest fix is to just use something other than Hornady factory ammo (and brass). Problem solved, and rock on.

Theoretically you can try pulling the extractor, and undercutting the lip a bit so it can maybe dig in a little further. Didn't work much better for me, but maybe you'll get lucky. Thinking about it... most of the 'upgrades we do to Savage extractors is to take up the slop in the ball detent - going from 0.125 to 0.140 ball, etc. - and might actually work against us in this particular situation. Lengthening the slot in the ejector pin might allow additional travel, maybe keeping it 'pinned' against the extractor a little better - but again, if memory serves, nothing really helped if the extractor hook wasn't able to bottom out against the groove in the case.

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I had the same problem with Nosler 22-250 brass. Other brands worked fine. I chased my tail for a while on it too