savage 12 ftr scratching cases help

[indysqueak]

i have the savage model 12 f/tr but i am severly scratching the cases as i try to load them ,the receiver will not pick up the case ,i must load it into the chamber myself ,after extraction,i notice the shoulder had deep scratch marks and the body is also that way, to me i am not sure why savage bored the action screws all the way thru into the action ,i think this is what is happening the hole itself ,has anyone had this happen ,and a fix, i know savage will fix it ,but want to save shipping it back ,any help ,i thank you ,first post so new at this , indy

 

[acloco]

Screws in correct position?

Single shot action I take it?

Scratches occur after firing or just loading a shell into the chamber and extracting?

 

[M-61]

The Savage 12 is a single shot so I assume when you lay the cartridge in the port this is where the bolt will not pick up the round?
If you reach and push the cartridge starting it in the chamber all is well?
There are two different length screws for the action not counting the rear trigger guard screw which just screws into a captive nut in the stock.
Just to get a better look at what might be happening why not remove the stock. Then take an empty case and cycle it through to see what happens. That Savage has a middle position on the safety which allows cycling of the bolt but the trigger is not functional so this can be done with a loaded round, a clear head as to what you are doing. and all the safety rules you know. No action screws are there so you can see if they are the culprit.

 

[indysqueak]

yes on my action screws the 2 front are the same size, the brass is being gouged as i load them into the chamber, i know it will not push a shell into the chamber on it's own i must feed it into the chamber myself,the action screws holes go all the way into the action itself ,to me that is whats wrong, why they had to drill the holes all the way into the action, it seemd a large burr from the screw dies not being smoothed out inside the action it what is hanging the shell up .savage said they will not honor the warrenty if i smooth it out but unsure if this has happened to other savage rifle shooters ,this is my 3rd savage and it is one sweet shooter but for the shortened case life

 

[1holeaddict]

Have u extracted the cases and stopped before they eject to see where the shell is scratched in reference to the chamber? If it is scratched always on the bottom side then u know ur own answer. I have never had that issue but i have had two barrels replaced due to chamber issues. Both guns would not eject fireformed cases. One of them was shooting 3 feet to the left also. When u buy production it is a crap shoot :-\ :-\

 

[indysqueak]

yes it is always on the bottom it seems ,i guess back to savage ,, thank you to all for the help ,my accuracy on this is driving me you know where ,one day great next who knows ,just never consisted ,only savage i had that did this

 

[PeterB]

one of shooting mates has a savage which he had trouble loading and marks, what i did was screw the barrel out, spin it up and give the entrance at the rear into the chamber a nice radius similar to an AR15 barrel. give the area a polish with some scotch- btrite and refit the barrel, setting up head space with the correct guages and then torquing it up. it now does everything well and no dramas now, the standard headspace was also on the large side.

 

[indysqueak]

thanks for the advice,i took a magic marker ,painted around the whole shoulder area ,marked the 12 oclock on the brass, fed into the chamber to be sure where the gouges ,a better word ,is coming in at ,it was near the 3 o clock as looking ahead ,where the gouges appear, perhaps a bad chamber reaming job?

 

[1holeaddict]

thanks for the advice,i took a magic marker ,painted around the whole shoulder area ,marked the 12 oclock on the brass, fed into the chamber to be sure where the gouges ,a better word ,is coming in at ,it was near the 3 o clock as looking ahead ,where the gouges appear, perhaps a bad chamber reaming job?

So after checking the location of the scratch in relation to the chamber you are saying its not the action screw hole? Good thing it is going into winter. The turn around from Savage is 5-7 weeks.Good luck
I own a model 12 benchrest that they had to put a new barrel on it due to a bad chamber and she wont shoot cold. I need to warm her up with a few rounds then she shoots. If i let her cool then its back to shotgun city until she heats up. Like i said before its a craps shoot :-\

 

[tome]

if your rifle is under warranty, Savage will send a call tag..no shipping costs..make sure to send a couple of pieces of the fired brass and a note explaining the problems..Their customer service is good.

 

[shooter63]

i had the same thing happen with 2 different rifles model 12 f classes i discovered that the extractor was doing its job but the action body where the bolt slides on had a very sharp place at 3 oclock took extractor spring out it quit doing it so not being satisfied i screwed barrel off & took a very fine piece of sandpaper with isso smeared on it took it out just fine in both cases this could or could not be your problem just something you might want to look at also put a case in all the way& take something thin to hold case straight as the bolt pulls the case back you can tell that way also without taking the ejector spring out what was happening in my case the ejector when it pulled the case back it kicked it over to the right side where the sharp place in the action body scraped it & hope this helps might save it a trip to savage regards shooter63

 

[Rustystud]

I would just about bet you the chamber was not chamfered or chamfered correctly. If this is the case the barrel will have to be removed and the chamber Chamfered.
Nat Lambeth

 

[indysqueak]

many thanks to all for the great help, it seems the best i can come up ,without being a smith it is a bad chamber ,after carefully doing what everyone said ,it has a very ruff action and a burr near the front of the chamber,gougeing the brass, might also be the accuracy problem, mine shoots great cold one day next it needs up to 10 rounds and warmed up to start grouping ,though it doesn't group as well as i had hoped, only savage that ever did this ,like the man said ,it is a crap shoot ,thanks everyone