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RPR vs. High End Custom

A little different spin:
I think it is great that there are rifles that shooters can go out and spend around $1,000 and be competitive in a popular and very trendy discipline. Why do I feel this way? The more people we have taking part in shooting of any safe legal fashion is a plus for us. Lowering the cost of entry allows more people to dip their feet in, once they are in the pool they are more apt to support gun rights.

A more interesting/valid test would be to take the same rifles used in OP's original test and develop the most accurate loads for each and then see how the results compare. The only restriction on the loads might be that the bullet that is used can be different for each gun (most accurate load for each) but should have an appropriate BC for the range the test is shot at.
 
Most people are going to comment on what they know, and they may only know one discipline. I added the F Open Shooter on my profile as a disclaimer, I don't shoot BR Groups, physically know better than to try PRS so I do what I know how to do. I learn from everyone, even if I don't use it. What we should do is shame shooters, especially new shooters when they seek advice. I know I am not going to Ben Avery to compete with the Big Dogs, but I can shoot locally and regionally with what I have.

I will respond to your post, but it is not directed at you, sir.

I am sorry, I have been watching it for years, and I disagree. It is simply a way to hijack every thread... The thread was not started comparing an RPR to a benchrest rifle, yet by page three we are seeing the obligatory steering off the road into "that will never compete in benchrest" or "you don't see an RPR at the nationals"...

It is SOOOOO TIIRRED MAN... tired.
 
Heres the deal...If you were to survey anyone on this forum and asked them:

You are only allowed one free rifle. The surgeon or the ruger RPR. Which will you pick?

I gurantee at least 98% respond with the surgeon.
 
And why wouldn't you? $4000+ rifle vs a $900. But is that the point of the thread?

"Just as good" is the point of the thread. If its just as good why do customs sell at all?

This discussion happens ad naseum with ARs. PSA or BCA just as good as Noveske or DD.
 
I didn't get that at all. It was accuracy comparison using non-tuned loads--can a cheap gun be used for PRS?

But what's the point of customs at all? The user gets exactly what he or she wants. And a good custom rifle maker stands behind his work.
 
Thanks to all for reminding me why I walked away from competitive shooting.

Never did bench or F class, but 95% of the people at PRS matches are really nice. I have had guys give me ammo before at a match, or talked me through a stage they just shot. Usually the dudes in the top 5 can get a little weird bc they are hyper focused one winning. Like one shot can make or break them. Im not a gear basher at all, it comes down to the shooter at the end of the day. But "just as good" is annoying. Thats how I interpreted the article. Tylerw02 reminded me its not about that.
 
"Just as good" is the point of the thread. If its just as good why do customs sell at all?

Hmmmm??? Fascinating that anyone would read this thread and think the point is "just as good", especially when in more than one post my emphasis was the opposite. The point of the thread is to point out how surprisingly well the RPR did in comparison to a custom in a test of a large number of factory match ammo; something not expected of a stock off the shelf RPR. And the person doing the test also did not try to say the RPR was "just as good". The RPR is good, but NOT "just as good". I sincerely hope that's clear now.
 
Never did bench or F class, but 95% of the people at PRS matches are really nice. I have had guys give me ammo before at a match, or talked me through a stage they just shot. Usually the dudes in the top 5 can get a little weird bc they are hyper focused one winning. Like one shot can make or break them. Im not a gear basher at all, it comes down to the shooter at the end of the day. But "just as good" is annoying. Thats how I interpreted the article. Tylerw02 reminded me its not about that.
Hmmmm??? Fascinating that anyone would read this thread and think the point is "just as good", especially when in more than one post my emphasis was the opposite. The point of the thread is to point out how surprisingly well the RPR did in comparison to a custom in a test of a large number of factory match ammo; something not expected of a stock off the shelf RPR. And the person doing the test also did not try to say the RPR was "just as good". The RPR is good, but NOT "just as good". I sincerely hope that's clear now.

Read my post above.
 
My experience has been the opposite. Seems BR shooters are very sensitive.

LOL. This thread shows the opposite. My original thought here was that it would be nice if BR had a low cost factory option that would allow a shooter to be competitive, like PRS has with the RPR.

This thread was placed in the main message section, implying that the author wanted more than just PRS shooters to see it. Otherwise he would have posted it in the PRS section. Remember, this forum grew from a BR oriented site and it install the main place where BR shooters hang out.

What caused the derailment was some PRS shooters being overly sensitive about their sport.
 
LOL. This thread shows the opposite. My original thought here was that it would be nice if BR had a low cost factory option that would allow a shooter to be competitive, like PRS has with the RPR.

This thread was placed in the main message section, implying that the author wanted more than just PRS shooters to see it. Otherwise he would have posted it in the PRS section. Remember, this forum grew from a BR oriented site and it install the main place where BR shooters hang out.

What caused the derailment was some PRS shooters being overly sensitive about their sport.

I saw comments of (ideal) BR groups and those questioning "do you consider that a competitive BR group". Nobody brought up benchrest until benchrest shooters interjected with their "superior groups". BR can't have talk without coming along to tell you their sport is all about the smallest groups possible in some smug way.

Oh, then the "its not an F Class" or "its not a BR" rifle.....did anybody ever claim it was?
 
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I saw comments of (ideal) BR groups and those questioning "do you consider that a competitive BR group".

Nobody brought up benchrest until benchrest shooters interjected with their "superior groups".

Oh, then the "its not an F Class" or "its not a BR" rifle.....did anybody ever claim it was?

The subject of group size didn't come up until post 20. Early in the thread, @Kurz pointed out that the RPR wasn't an F-Class rifle, but that it was still a great choice for PRS. I replied to Kurz that it also definitely wasn't a BR rifle, but would work well for PRS because of the accuracy requirements, and I wished BR could figure out something similar.

The someone, perhaps a PRS shooter, wanted so shot how well their PRS rifle shot in what appeared to be an effort to say a PRS rifle can shoot BR level groups. You saw how that went.

It's just that some people are very sensitive about their shooting sport, and that is silly. I am not offended at all if someone says that BR rifles are crappy for other shooting disciplines. I agree 100%. A BR rifle would finish dead last in a PRS match. While it is accurate enough, it isn't portable enough or flexible enough to be shot from various positions.

But enough of this. I'll make sure to not comment on PRS anymore to make sure I don't offend anyone sensitive people......

Now where is that thread ignore feature.......
 
The someone, perhaps a PRS shooter, wanted so shot how well their PRS rifle shot in what appeared to be an effort to say a PRS rifle can shoot BR level groups. You saw how that went.
See, there you are, you assumed somebody said something to appear a way in which they didn't. You made an assumption, got offended, and started talking about BR groups.

Nobody suggested the RPR was a BR rifle, but you had to come defend the superiority of benchrest.

Its not that anybody is offended, you're just derailing and appear smug for the purpose of stroking your ego. Nobody is offended. Frankly, its that nobody cares. You don't see PRS shooters come to threads about BR and talk about how crummy BR rifles are because they are unwieldy and inaccurate in field positions, do you?
 

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