Do you consider that a BR level group?
RPR vs. High End Custom
- Thread starter Straightshooter1
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Do you consider that a BR level group?
^^^^^ This is why I don't shoot BR.
Mark W
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My 243 RPR is a little long in the tooth and I haven’t played with it in a few years, but it was still shooting good when I put it away After this thread, I think that I’ll order some fresh Lapua brass if I can find it and give it some range time. As others have said, it’s definitely not a BR quality rifle, but it has pretty consistently proved to be 1/2 moa capable out to 500 yards and 1 moa out to 1000 yards. That’s not bad for a sub $1,000 rifle and it never fails to surprise others on the line with higher dollar rigs.
xswanted
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I think I you’re spot on with this.
I’ve dabbled in the PRS world for a few years now and I can tell you that rifle accuracy (to a point obviously) had very little to do with the guys that win.
A gun/scope setup that will track and a rifle that will shoot a tad better than 1 MOA, BUT do this every time the shooter picks it up AND the shooter doing his part, can and will win.
PRS is about the manipulation then execution of that plan of the course of fire to match each particular shooters strength when that shooter is engaging a specific stage.
I’m in the crowd of “making sure my rifle shoots way the hell better than an inch even though I probably don’t need it though”
I’m a way it’s a bit like rifle silhouette. Sure maybe your gun CAN shoot .25” groups quite regularly but can YOU do it while you’re on the line with the rifle. If the answer is “no” then the .25” group really doesn’t mean anything.
I still like shooting PRS events though, they are a pretty interesting and challenging form of shooting sports.
xswanted
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At 250 yards that’s a good group and my guess, would be competitive in many BR leagues throughout the US
drop_point
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I agree completely with PRS. I would attempted to get all my rifles well south of half MOA, but so long as it was well under 1 MOA, I knew I could be competitive.
A friend bought an RPR in 338 Lapua Mag. My first thought was "what in the HELL is he thinking". He did change out the trigger, and after 2600 rounds he still can shoot out to a mile with very good accuracy. He shoots a 600 yd F-class FUN match with it scoring in the 190's each string. I'm impressed!!
Ccrider
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..27 moa? Not from what I have seen. Not unless you are looking at factory class.
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gme
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The RPR is a good value, originally designed as an entry level PRS rifle where the game isn't really about shooting scores or groups but 'hits or misses' it does well, and is popular with recreational shooters, a rifle designed for a specific discipline will always help the shooter to perform better at that game, when it comes to NRA highpower (XTC, Midrange prone and Longrange prone) the difference between a good factory rifle and a winning match rifle is not how well it shoots a 'group' but how well it holds elevation over a 20+ shot string, multiple times during the course of an event, equally important, it's about the ergonomics being optimized to help the shooter execute 20 perfectly broken shots in multiple positions (and then there's the wind), in sling shooting the shooter and the rifle are a 'system' that must function correctly in order to win, and why it's a difficult game to learn that requires specialized equipment.
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If I shot a .27 MOA group at 250yds with a $900 dollar rifle through $500 glass at a competition on a breezy day, I'd be super proud of that - and rightfully so. The inevitability is that some douchebag would start talking sh@t from their lofty perch with their $6000 dollar rifle under a $3500 scope on top of a $3000 rest with handloads from their $10000 dollars worth of equipment.
Mad props. If this fella sticks it out through all of the hate because he dared to start competing with an RPR or any other factory precision rifle he should be a monster with a custom. Chances of sticking around.... Not good.
Mad props. If this fella sticks it out through all of the hate because he dared to start competing with an RPR or any other factory precision rifle he should be a monster with a custom. Chances of sticking around.... Not good.
For better or worse, that old axiom that the last 10% of performance is 90% of the cost holds true. It did in drag racing when I was involved with that and it does in competitive shooting as well. It depends on your goal. Local strip you could be pretty competitive at 90%. At the nationals? Have an enjoyable time watching.
Ccrider
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And, if you are shooting against “douchebag” seasoned br shooters with custom rifles you would have ZERO chance of winning. By way if example:
butchlambert
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Young feller, no need to get upset. It seems to be shooting well, but not BR accuracy. I don't think he is shooting competitive BR, so it's all good.
Well let's see. I have $3000 into my LR BR HG and I run a $1200 scope. I shot three screamer groups with it this season, which are 10-shot groups under 5" at 1000 yds. My best was under 4". I only shot one screamer with my light gun, a 2.36" 5-shot group at 1000. My light gun is about the same cost as my heavy gun.
The whole point of my first post was bemoaning the fact that while you could by a factory rifle and compete well in PRS, you can't in BR. Not just the rifle, but you need quality rests and reloading equipment.
We have guys show up all the time with rifles they think are accurate, become stunned at the level of accuracy needed to compete, and don't come back. Our definition of "good groups" are way different that most.
This in a sport where people go to great lengths to help each other. Shooters readily share their secrets, quickly become friends, and root each other on. They are as happen when a friend does well as when they themselves do well. Not all shooting sports are this way.
Ccrider
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To be clear, if your rifle shoots like this consistently, it is an extraordinary factory rifle and that is a great group for a factory rifle.
My only point was that comparing an off the shelf factory rifle with a properly put together custom rifle is like comparing a dog to a cat/apples to oranges/ mustang to a custom race car.
To add to Butch's point. I have a 33-28 Nosler hunting rifle that weighs 8.75 lbs w/scope and shoots 250 grain ABs into .6 MOA at 100 yds, and I am VERY happy with that. I could probably tighten it up some with more load development, but that would be pointless. My time is better spent out hunting vs developing loads for this rifle.
When I had a double rifle in 450 NE, I was very happy when I could get both barrels to shoot a sub 2" group 4-shot at 50 yds. With my Browning 71 in 348 Win, I'll be happy with 2" groups at 100 yds.
However, if one of my long range BR rifles isn't shooting better than 5" 10-shot groups and better that 3" 5-shot groups at 1000 yds, the barrel is coming off.
xswanted
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well its a factory rifle in question so………..?
I’m still betting it’d be a good group for many a BR league across the country.
And if it’s not…..it’s still a good group for a factory rifle that’s based off a $350 hunting gun.
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