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I put an Athlon Ares ETR 15-60x56 on my Vudoo V22S RBLP 22BR rifle. So far, like it very much - it replaced a Sightron SIII 45x45, and is considerably brighter.
I was able to find a NIB Weaver T24 for one of my CMP Win 52D rifles, and like it a lot.
Also found a nice Leupold BR24 for my V22S prone rifle, and have bought several VXII 6-18x42 scopes on Anschutz, Cooper, Kimber, and a Browning marked 52C repro that I had to re-barrel with a Krieger blank after discovering that it had a totally screwed-up OEM bbl.
Gen 1 or gen 2 Ares ? I like the zero stop and retical over my Golden eagle,how is IQ on Ares after 40x compraed to an GE ? I shoot a Cronus in NRL22. How does the glass compare to the Cronus ?
I'm may try a BR scope with a Valdada incline mount on same rifle,Benchrest and long gong.
BTW Dennis, we have our Long Gong match 5/17 Tappan Hill BPCR inc,Glasco,Ks.... Just the road a bit
 
The Ares ETR is the Gen 1. Can't compare IQ to that of a GE, since I don't have one. I've shot Cronus scopes on all the precision custom 22RF rifles I've built - from a Stiller 2500XR to a couple of Jelrod-converted 40X repeaters, on up to all the V22 repeaters (except for the lighter sporter-weight one that I carry in my truck daily). To tell the truth, I've never sat down at the bench to compare the Ares to any of the versions of the Cronus that I've got - up to & including a couple of Gen 2 versions. But the Ares ETR does give excellent definition, very clear when shooting on paper. My 'best guess' assessment of it vs the Gen 2 Cronus is that they're very close, but that's still not a side-by-side comparison, only basing the opinion on memory, which isn't a good way to do it. Need to get the Three-60 repeater out and do a side-by-side with the Ares on the V22S before I'd feel confident about judging them against each other.
Forgive my ignorance, but does the long gong match have anything to do with Black Powder Cartridge Rifle? I used to shoot BPCRS out at Sand & Sage near Garden City, but that was way back in 1994. When the guys who talked me into shooting black powder matches with them both quit, I sold the nice custom Winchester Hi Wall that one of them sold me...miss that rifle, would liked to have kept it, but I went from BPCRS to shooting Palma matches, and used the money from the sale of the Hi Wall to build a nice Palma rifle...
 
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i have more expensive leupolds on hunting rifles. they are great for what i use them for and i can't imagine spending more because i don't believe for the purpose i would gain anything by spending more. i don't shoot competitively but do enjoy shooting my 22's and want them to be reasonably accurate. At $350 thats really a bit above the price range i wanted to spend for the purpose but now i'm glad i did. i was originally planning to buy something in the 300 or less range. a buddy turned me onto them and between him trying to convince me along with countless youtube videos i gave it a go. i believe the original price depending on where you get it was $600-$689. they have a lifetime warranty and by all accounts get great reviews for their price point. i also, finally sprang for the b14r so i didn't want to completely chinch out on the optics.
"lifetime"~? Whose lifetime, yours or the scopes~? Seems like these days the lifetime of the manufacturer is an important factor. Companies disappear for all kind of reasons including mergers, failures, somebody retires, or manufacturing is moved to China. How many reports have you read where even when the company is still in business their response is "no longer have the necessary parts to repair. Here's a coupon for ?% off to purchase a new one".
 
"lifetime"~? Whose lifetime, yours or the scopes~? Seems like these days the lifetime of the manufacturer is an important factor. Companies disappear for all kind of reasons including mergers, failures, somebody retires, or manufacturing is moved to China. How many reports have you read where even when the company is still in business their response is "no longer have the necessary parts to repair. Here's a coupon for ?% off to purchase a new one".
maybe you're purchasing the wrong equipment... i've yet to have that happen. in fact i've experienced the opposite. i've sent in 2 leupolds one for an internal failure on a pretty heavily used 20 year old scope. the other was nearly as old and was damaged due to my daughter dropping the gun. in both cases they were fixed and returned in like new condition. the first cannon safe i purchased was in a flood. they have a lifetime warrenty on their safes for flood, fire or burgalary. when i called in for the warrenty they no longer made that model so they upgraded me from a 24gun 30 min fire rated safe to a 48 gun 120 min rated safe and shipped it to my door. so my while maybe limted experience useing warranties has been positive and will continue to support these and similar companies. based on other users experience athalon has stood behind their product just the same. if i get 20 years of service out of those $350 scopes and they are no longer around to warrenty them then ill chock it up as i got my monies worth and buy something else.
 
I put an Athlon Ares ETR 15-60x56 on my Vudoo V22S RBLP 22BR rifle. So far, like it very much - it replaced a Sightron SIII 45x45, and is considerably brighter.
I was able to find a NIB Weaver T24 for one of my CMP Win 52D rifles, and like it a lot.
Also found a nice Leupold BR24 for my V22S prone rifle, and have bought several VXII 6-18x42 scopes on Anschutz, Cooper, Kimber, and a Browning marked 52C repro that I had to re-barrel with a Krieger blank after discovering that it had a totally screwed-up OEM bbl.
Can you tell us what was wrong with the OEM Barrel?
Thanks,
 
Can you tell us what was wrong with the OEM Barrel?
Thanks,
Mike, I mounted a scope on the repro Browning 52C, and before taking it out to the range to zero that scope, cleaned the bore. I have a 20 cal stainless rod with an adapter to accept 22 cal jags & brushes, and it was all I could do to get that rod pushed through the bbl. It was very rough, and full of lead fouling, so I went after the leading with a new 22 cal bronze bore brush. Took quite a bit of work, but I did eventually get rid of the leading. Took the rifle out and put 65rds of a good lot of SK Std+ through it at 50yds, never getting anything resembling a decent group in the process. Took it back into the shop, and found it was just as full of leading as it had been to begin with. Cleaned it again, and did a pretty thorough examination with a Hawkeye borescope. I've never seen an uglier bore - the lands in the leade were rough, there were numerous annular rings throughout the bore, along with a just plain rough finish. I'm certain that anyone who'd taken a look at it with the Hawkeye would've come to the same conclusion as I did - that it was a POS. In my case, having used several Krieger 22RF bbl blanks & having excellent accuracy with all of them, I got on the phone to Krieger and asked if they had a straight cylinder 22RF blank that they could profile to match the factory bbl, with the exception of making it .050" larger in diameter from breech to muzzle. I pulled the OEM bbl and shipped it to them, and in a few short weeks, had the replacement blank in hand.

Now here's the other thing about this Browning repro - the trigger was just as screwed up as the barrel had been - very rough with a ton of creep, even after removing the 'lawyer pin'. While I was waiting on the Krieiger blank, I removed the trigger and mailed it off to Dokey (the handle of a member over on RFC who does nice work on 52 triggers), with a note explaining the problems I was having with it. It arrived back here not long before the Krieger blank did. When I got the new bbl fitted & chambered, I found that he hadn't gotten all the creep out of the factory trigger, but the break was enough lighter than it's pretty easy to shoot, even with some of that roughness. This rifle was advertised as in 'nearly NIB' condition, and in fact, did appear as new, with nary a mark on it. But I imagine that whomever the original owner was, he or she put a few rounds through it, found out how poorly it shot, and how awful the trigger was, and just peddled it. If this is indeed what happened, I wish that instead of unloading the mess on another unsuspecting buyer, they'd have sent it back to Browning for warranty repairs/replacement. But since they didn't, now I've got a pretty nice looking Browning 52C repro that shoots as good as it looks...
 
Mike, I mounted a scope on the repro Browning 52C, and before taking it out to the range to zero that scope, cleaned the bore. I have a 20 cal stainless rod with an adapter to accept 22 cal jags & brushes, and it was all I could do to get that rod pushed through the bbl. It was very rough, and full of lead fouling, so I went after the leading with a new 22 cal bronze bore brush. Took quite a bit of work, but I did eventually get rid of the leading. Took the rifle out and put 65rds of a good lot of SK Std+ through it at 50yds, never getting anything resembling a decent group in the process. Took it back into the shop, and found it was just as full of leading as it had been to begin with. Cleaned it again, and did a pretty thorough examination with a Hawkeye borescope. I've never seen an uglier bore - the lands in the leade were rough, there were numerous annular rings throughout the bore, along with a just plain rough finish. I'm certain that anyone who'd taken a look at it with the Hawkeye would've come to the same conclusion as I did - that it was a POS. In my case, having used several Krieger 22RF bbl blanks & having excellent accuracy with all of them, I got on the phone to Krieger and asked if they had a straight cylinder 22RF blank that they could profile to match the factory bbl, with the exception of making it .050" larger in diameter from breech to muzzle. I pulled the OEM bbl and shipped it to them, and in a few short weeks, had the replacement blank in hand.

Now here's the other thing about this Browning repro - the trigger was just as screwed up as the barrel had been - very rough with a ton of creep, even after removing the 'lawyer pin'. While I was waiting on the Krieiger blank, I removed the trigger and mailed it off to Dokey (the handle of a member over on RFC who does nice work on 52 triggers), with a note explaining the problems I was having with it. It arrived back here not long before the Krieger blank did. When I got the new bbl fitted & chambered, I found that he hadn't gotten all the creep out of the factory trigger, but the break was enough lighter than it's pretty easy to shoot, even with some of that roughness. This rifle was advertised as in 'nearly NIB' condition, and in fact, did appear as new, with nary a mark on it. But I imagine that whomever the original owner was, he or she put a few rounds through it, found out how poorly it shot, and how awful the trigger was, and just peddled it. If this is indeed what happened, I wish that instead of unloading the mess on another unsuspecting buyer, they'd have sent it back to Browning for warranty repairs/replacement. But since they didn't, now I've got a pretty nice looking Browning 52C repro that shoots as good as it looks...
Flatlander,
Thank you for the reply. Do you have any photos of groups that you would be willing to share?
Thanks
 
Flatlander,
Thank you for the reply. Do you have any photos of groups that you would be willing to share?
Thanks
I put some rounds downrange through the new Krieger several months ago after finishing the re-barrel project, but if I saved any of them, I don't know where they are. Might do some searching to see what I can find, or just get the rifle back out and do some shooting with it - that's a good excuse to get it out and do some shooting with it...
 

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