Remington bashing

[JB10]

For the price of the new alpha's i do not see any models im interested in. For a little bit higher price tag i find many rifles i like better.

 

[jelenko]

I have worked with well over 100 Remington actions over the last few years. RR and RAR prefix. The front was square, headspace was within 0.002. Bolts could be swapped between actions if you wanted. Primary extraction would be fine for the 95% of users who shoot saami pressure loads. What more should Remington do?

This^^
Would the rest of you guys get off of the history trip.
The OP addressed how RemArms is doing NOW.

Regurgitating [uhh - revisiting] history is pointless.
"Remington" doesn't exist any more.
A new company, RemArms, bought the design and a couple manufacturing facilities - but a whole different management team.

Get a grip and talk about the products from the new company.

ETA. Guess I'm a little late - I see there are several posts above that beat me to it.

EETA. FYI. It's estimated that the new RemArms is doing ~ $35M/year. That's less than 1/10 of what Remington was doing [of course, that also included primers].
In any case, at that level, we probably won't see many of their firearms around. Although, Walt seems to have found a hundred or so.

 

[6MMsteve]

I have a few Rems they r simple, smooth and work

 

[Fuj]

Are you forgetting that the new Remington isn't the old Remington? They aren't the same people. How can you hold the new owners responsible for the problems of old Remington? Now if they create new issues for themselves then by all means bash them for that.

Last I heard, Vista bought em' out from the bankruptcy. i heard again
that Vista spun them off. I heard again that a Czech billionaire had his
fingers in the pie. I heard also that some firm named Round Hill has the
steering wheel.....Sounds like a shell game with a hot potato......

 

[Walt Krafft]

Vista bought the ammo part of Remington. Firearms are now totally seperate.

 

[L.Sherm]

The primary extraction thing is overblown and thrown around on the internet. Most can get away with zero or near zero and never know anything different.

My post was not meant to bash Remington just simply pointing out why not fix the primary extraction it wouldn't be that difficult? I've got 2 right now that the bolt doesn't even touch the extraction cam.

 

[ELR LVR]

My post was not meant to bash Remington just simply pointing out why not fix the primary extraction it wouldn't be that difficult? I've got 2 right now that the bolt doesn't even touch the extraction cam.

The Lugs weren't set back were they?

 

[Adam in WI]

I wonder what percentage of people who buy Remingtons know what primary extraction is, what it does, and how to tell if it's there or not.

 

[L.Sherm]

The Lugs weren't set back were they?

Nope, not on either one.
The 700 i built my 30-28 was horrible i could even hardly get it to extract a case.
I run it 100fps lower than when it starts to show pressure, after I had it fixed same exact load it extracts a case now just fine.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Remington could easily do one thing very easy and thats to fix there primary extraction. Not like it would be that hard, they obviously were just turning a blind eye to it.

Yes, exactly!
Plus the firing pin hole is badly machined and primers look like they have been beat to death.

 

[jelenko]

Last I heard, Vista bought em' out from the bankruptcy. i heard again
that Vista spun them off. I heard again that a Czech billionaire had his
fingers in the pie. I heard also that some firm named Round Hill has the
steering wheel.....Sounds like a shell game with a hot potato......

As Walt mentioned, Round Hill bought the firearms business directly from bankruptcy proceedings. Vista had nothing to do with the purchase of the firearms business.

You can read more about the purchase here https://sgbonline.com/roundhill-group-purchases-remington-firearms/

 

[L.Sherm]

It seems to be a bigger problem with the primary extraction on bigger cases and when you run tight tolerances on the back end in my experience anyway.

 

[ELR LVR]

Nope, not on either one.
The 700 i built my 30-28 was horrible i could even hardly get it to extract a case.
I run it 100fps lower than when it starts to show pressure, after I had it fixed same exact load it extracts a case now just fine.

What I'm wondering is, if some of these are so far off to not even touch the cam,
how is the bolt handle fitting into the slot when closed?

 

[AlNyhus]

As a die hard Big Green fan, my hope is that they can regain the trust that shooters once had in their guns. They have a real chance with this latest reincarnation. But things like addressing the lack of primary extraction that has plagued the 700's since the advent of CNC'ing under the last owners makes me shake my head. Early on, I handled 6-7 of the new RemArms 700's, including the Long Range model, and none had any mechanical camming. Bubba and Billy Bob with a box of ammo could care less. But the facts are it's a simple design issue that should be addressed. On the ones I handled, the fit and finish was very nice.

For the last 6 months at least, I haven't seen a new one at any of my local outlets. At this point in time, all manufacture's reps are darn near fist fighting to get floor space for their stuff. If a company can't get the production up enough to fill stores inventory, stores just aren't going to jack around trying to carry them.

It seems like I'm pulling harder for Big Green than they do for themselves.

Good shootin' -Al

 

[Laurie]

Maybe never to have gotten as complacent as they did to begin with?

Credibility is difficult at best to regain once lost.

There's a saying among marketing people on the lines of:

While it takes ten years of consistently high quality production for a product or product range to build a top reputation, it only takes ten months of shoddy production to destroy it.

 

[ELR LVR]

Ooops haha, posted in the wrong thread
anyway, buy the older rems if you guys have issues with the newer Remmy's

 

[Tommie]

As one of those “rare” people who purchased a total hot mess POS Remington 700 rifle, I sadly say that my love affair with Big Green is over. Permanently.

 

[209jones]

I see them advertised in my Black Friday searches this wk, believe they have a special Timney in them now, so that eliminates the trigger issue, haven't been into a store that had any to look at them. They want much the same money in the price points they chose to compete in for now. I've sold both the ones I had, they served me well for many years, never had any issues, both shot well. Would I run out and buy one? Probably not, I have a couple of Tikka's now, to me they seem to be a better value in the price point zones they compete in, Tikka trigger doesn't need replacing, just a spring and a quick adjustment. Remington will take a long while to climb out of the they got dug into, even though it's no fault of the current operators. They probably need to do a redesign of the line and model names to get out of it, hard to do when the 700 series set a standard like it did. They will most likely never again become what they were in terms of industry dominance.

 

[Turkeytider]

Maybe never to have gotten as complacent as they did to begin with?

Credibility is difficult at best to regain once lost.

There in is a MAJOR problem for RemArms today IMHO. Thanks to a period in which the company was raped by the Cerberus’ of the world, credibility associated with real ( and perceived) product quality issues was essentially ruined. When that happens, you might well manufacture the best product in its class, but the challenge is to get people to try it again. In most everything, you’ve got to have a critical mass of people saying something akin to, “ Damn, this thing is GOOD ! “

 

[Turkeytider]

I see them advertised in my Black Friday searches this wk, believe they have a special Timney in them now, so that eliminates the trigger issue, haven't been into a store that had any to look at them. They want much the same money in the price points they chose to compete in for now. I've sold both the ones I had, they served me well for many years, never had any issues, both shot well. Would I run out and buy one? Probably not, I have a couple of Tikka's now, to me they seem to be a better value in the price point zones they compete in, Tikka trigger doesn't need replacing, just a spring and a quick adjustment. Remington will take a long while to climb out of the they got dug into, even though it's no fault of the current operators. They probably need to do a redesign of the line and model names to get out of it, hard to do when the 700 series set a standard like it did. They will most likely never again become what they were in terms of industry dominance.

When I was a teenager growing up in the 60’s, when you went in the field, 9 times out of 10 either you or the guy walking next to you was carrying a Remington. I’m sure they had no trouble, but I don’t know how the people responsible for ruining a truly iconic American company could sleep at night.