Remington 700 action problem

[ChuckMiller]

Interesting, if you laid an action down on the table next to a Manners stock and said one of them is off I would pick the stock every time. Not to say anything about Manners, I've had an HS Precision and a McMillan that were off and sent them back. Both acknowledged the "mishap" and replaced the item, shipping was on my dime. Being someone that buys and sells I wouldn't modify anything, if it's not right send it back. You'll be out a little but the end product will be right and you'll have no concerns if you decide to sell it later. If you Jake Leg that Manners stock to fit, plan on keeping it forever or taking a hit on it. You now have 2 components that are wanky and will have to be discounted or misrepresented to sell. Plus, I would look at it as damaged goods every time I used it, not that it's not functional. My vote is replace it and move on. It would be different if I had no recourse through Remington. but you do.

 

[carlsbad]

And now after 2 pages of telling the OP how to fix it himself, I still recommend letting a local gunsmith look at it. How about this little fact: I've seen more stocks, including name brand stocks, with dimensional errors than actions.

--Jerry

 

[MahtewsSB]

And now after 2 pages of telling the OP how to fix it himself, I still recommend letting a local gunsmith look at it. How about this little fact: I've seen more stocks, including name brand stocks, with dimensional errors than actions.

--Jerry

Maybe you didnt catch the part where I said the other REMINGTON 700 ACTION I have on hand fits the stock perfectly. The issue is in no way shape or form due to the stock. The fact that Remington miscut the rear action hole by 17 thousandths to far forward is the issue. So regardless of how many more stocks you have seen out of dimenion than actions, that is not the case. And I have no intentions of "self remediating" this issue with a home fix. It will be taken care of by a professional in one way or another, whether that be Remington replacing it or a gunsmith putting a rear pillar in. I didn't start this thread to look for a way to fix it myself. I was looking for ideas as far as options so I could pursue them further and have an idea what to present Remington with for proof of their fault if they attempt to deny the replacement.

 

[xswanted]

Just send the action back in and see what they say.

My experience with their customer service has been good and I deal with them frequently.

If you're concerned about sending it in yourself, have a Remington dealer send it in for you. They might have a rep or two at their disposal that will help you out with the process. It works for me often.

 

[John from MN]

If it was mine, I would verify the hole was tapped straight and modify the stock either with an end mill or simply a drill bit if the screw head is big enough to deal with the increase in diameter. I'm assuming the mini chassis is made for a socket head cap screw. It might be necessary to enlarge the counterbore in the stock.

I can't imagine Remington is going to offer any compensation for having to refit an aftermarket barrel, but I've been wrong before.

 

[carlsbad]

Maybe you didnt catch the part where I said the other REMINGTON 700 ACTION I have on hand fits the stock perfectly. The issue is in no way shape or form due to the stock. The fact that Remington miscut the rear action hole by 17 thousandths to far forward is the issue. So regardless of how many more stocks you have seen out of dimenion than actions, that is not the case. And I have no intentions of "self remediating" this issue with a home fix. It will be taken care of by a professional in one way or another, whether that be Remington replacing it or a gunsmith putting a rear pillar in. I didn't start this thread to look for a way to fix it myself. I was looking for ideas as far as options so I could pursue them further and have an idea what to present Remington with for proof of their fault if they attempt to deny the replacement.

Sorry you appear to have taken offense to my post. Indeed, I thought you didn't start this thread for suggestions of self remediation. That is why I thought it was a good idea to get the thread back on track.

I almost sent you a pm with some suggestions on how to deal with remington but decided not to. I will say one thing:

Do NOT send your aftermarket barrel back to Remington. Frankly, they would like to see the rifle returned to them with the original barrel, stock etc. So you're going to have to work through their expectations. If they do replace the action, keep in mind that the headspace will have to be adjusted on your new barrel so that is an expense you they probably won't cover. If you have a good relationship with a Remington dealer, having them talk to Remington for you would probably help.

I'm quite impressed that you have gone from 1/4 of a bolt diameter off to .017" too far forward.

--Jerry

 

[MahtewsSB]

Sorry you appear to have taken offense to my post. Indeed, I thought you didn't start this thread for suggestions of self remediation. That is why I thought it was a good idea to get the thread back on track.

I almost sent you a pm with some suggestions on how to deal with remington but decided not to. I will say one thing:

Do NOT send your aftermarket barrel back to Remington. Frankly, they would like to see the rifle returned to them with the original barrel, stock etc. So you're going to have to work through their expectations. If they do replace the action, keep in mind that the headspace will have to be adjusted on your new barrel so that is an expense you they probably won't cover. If you have a good relationship with a Remington dealer, having them talk to Remington for you would probably help.

I'm quite impressed that you have gone from 1/4 of a bolt diameter off to .017" too far forward.

--Jerry

That would be because I didn't have a pair of calipers large enough to measure the spacing at first and That was about how far it looked to be off. I since acquired a larger set and measured to come up with the exact error. This was not a full rifle when purchased, it was simply a bare action. So I will get the Krieger barrel pulled and only be sending Remington the action. I'm aware that the barrel will need headspaced and etc again, I also do not forsee Remington assisting in that process, especially since it is a 6x47 lapua and I'm sure they are not equipped to set headspace on that. However, arrangements have been made for that part of the process. Just need to get the barrel pulled and call and get a new service request # from Remington that is only for the action to be sent in rather than the barreled action per the current request number.

 

[carlsbad]

So it's a recently purchased action only? I have 2 of those that I purchased just for their improved fit and finish. They seem to me like they come off a different production line.

I will check mine. Neither have been mounted yet.

In measuring the spacing with calipers, did you measure inside and out and average the numbers? this will eliminate any error associated with bolt diameter.

--Jerry

 

[MahtewsSB]

So it's a recently purchased action only? I have 2 of those that I purchased just for their improved fit and finish. They seem to me like they come off a different production line.

I will check mine. Neither have been mounted yet.

In measuring the spacing with calipers, did you measure inside and out and average the numbers? this will eliminate any error associated with bolt diameter.

--Jerry

Action was purchased new middle of last year, don't remember exactly when. According to the service ticket, based on the serial number, the action was produced in 2015.

 

[wholman]

You have had some good fixes said to fix your problem.
A round file or a drill bit on your stock.

 

[Radar]

You have had some good fixes said to fix your problem.
A round file or a drill bit on your stock.

So after you have the stock hacked up what would you do to make the bottom metal line up?

 

[MahtewsSB]

So after you have the stock hacked up what would you do to make the bottom metal line up?

The manners mini chassis system does not require a bottom metal setup, it is all integrated together. The v-shaped aluminum chassis all the way to the bottom metal is one piece. So there would be no hacking to the actual stock itself, but only the rear hole in the mini chassis (if that were the route I take, but I plan to disassemble and send back to Remington). I attatched an image of the system the stock has so you can see what I'm trying to desrcibe

 

[wholman]

it was said it was of by 17 th I don't think it take a lot of hacking to fix that.
but I am no expert sorry if I offended you. I have hack up a lot things.
Whit

 

[MahtewsSB]

it was said it was of by 17 th I don't think it take a lot of hacking to fix that.
but I am no expert sorry if I offended you. I have hack up a lot things.
Whit

I'm not saying that filing a small amount away wouldn't make it work, but I suspect the action screw would still be stressed due to how tight of a fit it would be then. I'm not offended by your suggestion, or anyone else's for that matter. I also don't want to alter the stock to fit the action, then making it only good for that action from then on.

 

[Steve Ladino]

If you dont want a new action, a threaded plug can be soldered in and a new hole drilled and tapped.

Yes, fix it if there is no interference doing so.... with the epoxy's we have these days maybe the stock hole can be shifted and using a tube re flood the enlarged hole, its outa sight anyway...seems kinda an easy job to me but I may be wrong as I'm not familiar with your stock...epoxy in a pillar ?

 

[ChuckMiller]

MahtewsSB, your doing the right thing, send it back! Bottomline, you Jake leg that thing so it will function, every time you pick it up that's what you'll think. If this were a factory barrel you rechambered, a Boyds stock you have very little in....in other words a low dollar toy, then hell yea, drill that puppy, grind them bolts. But a Manners stock, Krieger barrel and you have to jury rig it??? When you use those components to build a rifle the assembly should be effortless resulting in a rifle you'll be proud to own.

 

[carlsbad]

Yes, fix it if there is no interference doing so.... with the epoxy's we have these days maybe the stock hole can be shifted and using a tube re flood the enlarged hole, its outa sight anyway...seems kinda an easy job to me but I may be wrong as I'm not familiar with your stock...epoxy in a pillar ?

This subthread is an aside, since the OP isn't planning to repair. But I'll throw in a tip: For a critical repair like this, I would turn/thread my own repair plug and leave it oversized so that it would barely thread in. This also allows me to pick any material I want to use. --Jerry

 

[Alex Wheeler]

This subthread is an aside, since the OP isn't planning to repair. But I'll throw in a tip: For a critical repair like this, I would turn/thread my own repair plug and leave it oversized so that it would barely thread in. This also allows me to pick any material I want to use. --Jerry

Now that we know it only .017" off, there really isnt a good way to fix it. You would drill out most of that plug, and unless it was bonded into the threads with solder or tig, it would simply fall out. What suprises me is that the stock is fitted that tight. I would think they would allow for some slop. To me .017" doesnt seem unlikely with a Remington action.

 

[carlsbad]

Coincidentally, tan(1 degree) is .017. So a 1" screw with the head misaligned .017" is tilted 1 degree. Not enough to bind the threads at all. I agree, the stock seems a bit tight if the .017 number is correct.

--Jerry

 

[hoz53]

Coincidentally, tan(1 degree) is .017. So a 1" screw with the head misaligned .017" is tilted 1 degree. Not enough to bind the threads at all. I agree, the stock seems a bit tight if the .017 number is correct.

--Jerry

I'm gonna go measure all my Remington's and see how much they vary.