Quick load estimated the pressure around 110,000PSI. This is the only receiver I know of that has came apart. No amount of tight tolerances would contain that pressure in that action.
Rem 700 extractor repair options
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That's the ejector laid bare. The gas literally cut away/peeled steel. It pushed the cross pin out about an 1/8".
I've got the action in my hand right now.
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Older customer. Had all his powder on a shelf above his loading bench. Think bifocals. 6.5-06 AI shooting 4064.
He pulled down the first 4 he came to and started weighing charges. It was 4227. He had to replace one lens in his glasses. So really bad stuff can happen as long as your head is on the opposite side and you wear safety glasses. Unless maybe you have cheeks like a bulldog hanging over the comb.
Distraction is a bad thing at the reloading bench.
Just last week, my son had some buddies join him for some ELR at a new place down here in FL (JTAC Ranch) before he ships out for pilot training with USAF next month.
He came into the room as I was loading for his .338 LM.
I use a Hornady LNL progressive with a custom shellplate I had Hornady make, weigh charges on an electronic scale and dump manually through a powder funnel where the powder drop used to be.
I have a rhythm/routine down for using the progressive press this way- and I wanted to say "leave me the f*** alone when I'm doing this", but didn't want to be "rude"- should've been.
Next day he called me from the range to bitch about a squib bullet- no powder in the case. I reminded him about when he interrupted me during the loading process...NEVER again. It would be pretty much impossible to double charge any rifle case so I wasn't concerned from that standpoint- and both my sons were trained from their early teens to always STOP and INSPECT if anything ever sounds or feels "off". Needless to say, you'll know it when a .338 LM doesn't light off. Only the powder, and the boolits I'm loading at the time on the bench. Everything else gets put up, away from the bench.
Just last week, my son had some buddies join him for some ELR at a new place down here in FL (JTAC Ranch) before he ships out for pilot training with USAF next month.
He came into the room as I was loading for his .338 LM.
I use a Hornady LNL progressive with a custom shellplate I had Hornady make, weigh charges on an electronic scale and dump manually through a powder funnel where the powder drop used to be.
I have a rhythm/routine down for using the progressive press this way- and I wanted to say "leave me the f*** alone when I'm doing this", but didn't want to be "rude"- should've been.
Next day he called me from the range to bitch about a squib bullet- no powder in the case. I reminded him about when he interrupted me during the loading process...NEVER again. It would be pretty much impossible to double charge any rifle case so I wasn't concerned from that standpoint- and both my sons were trained from their early teens to always STOP and INSPECT if anything ever sounds or feels "off". Needless to say, you'll know it when a .338 LM doesn't light off. Only the powder, and the boolits I'm loading at the time on the bench. Everything else gets put up, away from the bench.
Thank you for sharing how this incident occurred.
Little over 20 years ago, I was chairman of a friends of NRA event, a " custom " rifle was donated to auction off. I requested from the rifle builder a few cartridges so that I could test fire the rifle for function. The last thing you want to do at any type of these fundraiser is give away or auction off is a rifle that does not work no matter how pretty it looks. I drove out in the desert about 10 miles from my home by myself to do the test fire. Kaboom, the rifle is in half laying at my feet, I cannot see clearly and blood is squirting everywhere. Case head separation, blow the Sako extractor into my face just below eye. I still have the case, I keep it on a shelf at eye level just above my reloading bench.
jackieschmidt
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I personally know of one catastrophe with a Remington 700 that had a Sako Extractor installed.
It happened at the old Lake Houston Gun Club in the mid 2000’s. A shooter had a 243 Ackley with a fast twist barrel. He was working up loads with 68 grn match bullets, just to se how accurate he could get them to shoot at 3800+ FPS velocities. The load was what amounted to a full case of 4350.
The shooter decided to switch back to the 100+ grain bullets that he had originally built the rifle to shoot. But he forgot to change his powder charge.
The result was a blown case head that literally welded it’s self inside the bolts counterbore. The Sako extractor was blown out and ended up in the shooter’s forehead.
This was strictly a case of shooter error. It goes to prove that you can never be to careful when loading ammunition.
There are thousands of Remingtons out there with Sako Extractor conversions. If a rifle experiences a catastrophic failure due to seriously extreme over pressure, the extractor is probably going to exit.
It happened at the old Lake Houston Gun Club in the mid 2000’s. A shooter had a 243 Ackley with a fast twist barrel. He was working up loads with 68 grn match bullets, just to se how accurate he could get them to shoot at 3800+ FPS velocities. The load was what amounted to a full case of 4350.
The shooter decided to switch back to the 100+ grain bullets that he had originally built the rifle to shoot. But he forgot to change his powder charge.
The result was a blown case head that literally welded it’s self inside the bolts counterbore. The Sako extractor was blown out and ended up in the shooter’s forehead.
This was strictly a case of shooter error. It goes to prove that you can never be to careful when loading ammunition.
There are thousands of Remingtons out there with Sako Extractor conversions. If a rifle experiences a catastrophic failure due to seriously extreme over pressure, the extractor is probably going to exit.
10XSHOOTER
Gold $$ Contributor
Brownells has both the new snap in and older pin in place extractor.
Just replace what you have.
Just replace what you have.
codybrown
Silver $$ Contributor
Kind of hard to do that when the retaining ring in the bolt face broke.
Unfortunately I also have a tale of a sako extractor exiting a 700.
Was standing on the back porch chronographing loads in a fast twist .223 with 69smk's.
Switching powders on my measure to see what velocities could be obtained with the different powders.
Behind me was a steel clad entry door going into a utility room. It was about 5' behind me. Fortunately I shoot right handed. Kaboom ! Of course I knew immediately what happened and was very lucky to only have the high pressure gas release hit my face, my glasses didn't survive with the right sense being very pitted but unbroken. After looking at the rifle and getting the bolt out I saw the extractor was missing. Could see where it scared the stock and the face of the rear receiver ring when it exited. Then, wondering where the extractor went I turned and looked at the door behind me. The extractor had penetrated the outer layer of the steel door and was somewhere in the interior of the door. Been loading and shooting on what I consider a fairly advanced level for almost 50 years but a lapse of concentration finally caught up with me.
It can happen, don't think otherwise..
Was standing on the back porch chronographing loads in a fast twist .223 with 69smk's.
Switching powders on my measure to see what velocities could be obtained with the different powders.
Behind me was a steel clad entry door going into a utility room. It was about 5' behind me. Fortunately I shoot right handed. Kaboom ! Of course I knew immediately what happened and was very lucky to only have the high pressure gas release hit my face, my glasses didn't survive with the right sense being very pitted but unbroken. After looking at the rifle and getting the bolt out I saw the extractor was missing. Could see where it scared the stock and the face of the rear receiver ring when it exited. Then, wondering where the extractor went I turned and looked at the door behind me. The extractor had penetrated the outer layer of the steel door and was somewhere in the interior of the door. Been loading and shooting on what I consider a fairly advanced level for almost 50 years but a lapse of concentration finally caught up with me.
It can happen, don't think otherwise..
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
From what ive seen an extractor exiting the action is a loading or shooting error every single time. Ive also seen that every time this happens the m16 and mini m16 extractors come out exactly the same way. The only way to save yourself from yourself is to keep the factory extractor if you think this could be an issue in the future. All of my personal bolts have better extractors installed
I will not install a Sako extractor because there is nothing mechanically holding it in place. I have and do install the mini m16 extractor due to the fact that it has a crosspin, to at least hold it in place unless it is a catastrophic failure. The safest set-up is by far the factory extractor, hands down. Either way, with a catastrophic explosion you are screwed! Just pay more attention to what you are doing and this will never be a problem! Distraction is the enemy of safe hand loads. Do whatever you have to to focus on the job at hand!
Paul
Paul
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