Reloading Component Shortage Discussion

[shortgrass]

I Wouldn't call it a " shortage " just because scheels in Fargo doesn't have primers. I have went there for a few odds and ends reloading supply's, and left disappointed..... More than once!

John

I'd say they're trying to create the illusion of a primer shortage. I checked on line this morning and the wholesales I use most had plenty on hand.
I never called it a shortage......THEY THEMSELVES DID. Would only sell her 500 total.

 

[fredhorace77]

People will buy all kinds of stupid crap like video games, new cell phones only to be 'in style' and have the latest toys, including new vehicles, boats, campers, 4 wheelers, name brand clothes etc etc etc then bitch about the 'hoarders' because they only buy 200 primers at a shot, a 550pk of 22's(that is because the cheap ones don't come in 200 packs), a pd of powder or a box of bullets!!! If you want to shoot then 'be prepared', make a grilled cheese at home instead of spending $50 at Olive Garden or Outback! Then you won't have to have a hissy about 'the hoarders'!!!! Seems nobody has learned much about the politics, firearms and disaster/emergency preparadness the last 15yrs, wait until the last minute then bitch about no supply and inflated prices!!! I laugh at all the gents on forums that are stroking out over the rediculous mag prices and would surely buy 2(TWO) more if they could still get them for $15. Yea, why didn't you buy 10 or 20 when they were $15 instead of paying $50 each now???

Sorry for the rant but get tired of being called names because I am prepared, and I have been living on disability income and divorced because of it over 9yrs ago and live in the middle of nowhere where there are no Sales for reloading items etc. Go without something you absolutely don't need like those name brand clothes and be prepared whether it is for your hobby or for disasters etc! Just don't blame others!

Respectfully,
Dennis

Very Very Very Very well said...couldnt agree with you more

 

[Johnboy]

I think for the most part on the one subject,they are calling out those who just buy to buy,for they can.I understand that one can or does shoot 4000 rounds a year,I wish it was me not some one else.Those that do buy for no reason need to think more than act,then the reloading world wouldn't come up with or have a post about it.

Me I am good on rifle primers but bad on powder,pistol the same.My biggest thing is time to shoot not the product.Plus I have over 1000 pistol rounds just waitting for me to pop them,and I only load for rifel when needed.

Just keep a straight mind and when the product comes up buy then,but think about the others who might need some too,NOT JUST YOURSELF.It took me last year 9 months to get the primers I needed,I even got a sale on them,One whole dollar cheapper( per 1000 ) so I bought a case.Let me add that they went really fast ( my 9mm loves lead going down the tube ) or is it that I just love pulling the trigger who knows.My point is buy when in need and as much as you need no more no less.

 

[Gundog64]

My point is buy when in need and as much as you need no more no less.

Bull. Buy more that what others think you "need" before you need it and be in position to ride out low supply/high prices. Go ahead and call me a "hoarder" it won't keep me up at night, because I will be at the range and need my sleep.

 

[shooter63]

just think about it this way johnboy the more we buy the more the companies will make /job creation / in mean time the united nations & powers that be can kiss our abcdef theyle still be a gun behind every blade of grass regards shooter63

 

[nosualc]

IMO, keep on hand what you need for a year or maybe even two. Anything more than that and you're just stoking the flames of an irrational cycle. aka being part of the problem.

-nosualc

You don't shoot Competition, do you? Jf you had, you would understand the need to find a manufacturing LOT that WORKS, and buy all you can afford. The sport is about eliminating variables, and this is a no-brainer. Should a new barrel dictate a change in components, it's pretty easy to trade or sell. The value invested in components increases, as the dollar drops- and it's headed off a cliff.

Well yes, I do shoot competitively.

Your argument is a red herring. Any time you change barrels, you are back to a partial unknown on your load development and anything you think you KNOW about your components is subject to change. To say you need to keep all your components consistent across multiple barrels is IMO duplicitous.

Secondarily, the natural conclusion of this line of thought (for anybody who truly believes this) would be buy as many components as possible (or affordable) at the point of discovery. Over time and over a large sample, this behavior would not cause shortages. It would be a constant across time, not something arrived upon in the past week, since the president was re-elected, or elected the first time.

Therefore, I believe your argument is simply a rationalization of "sky is falling" beliefs and behavior. Either way, no matter of courteous discourse is going to change your mind or actions on this or any other subject. Hoard away.

-nosualc

 

[fpskills]

+1 Jon!

+1 Rod!!! NoSlack... I about tipped over when I read that, way too funny! I couldn't have said it better myself!

LHSMITH: yup Jon shoots competitively, very competitively, but I have to agree having 20,000 primers ain't gonna make my load shoot better. I haven't found any lot to lot deveation in any of the primers I shoot. Believe me I understand about eliminating variables and I can see a load not liking say, Winchester primers but loving CCI's etc but not lot to lot... Maybe I've been just lucky?
Powders yes, primers no.

I was at Cabelas this morning in Rogers MN this morning and there was plenty of primers on the shelf ( both rifle and pistol) And a lot of powder. I did not see one AR on the shelf though? I didn't have time to take a number to ask why though...

 

[effendude]

For the record, I don't consider myself a hoarder, nor do I think the sky is falling. I have plenty of primers on hand, always do. I am amused by forum members who panic buy the moment they perceive a crisis. Ya'all heard of planning ahead a little? Did you not know you needed some primers? Then buying all you can in a panic only creates more panic amongst the uninformed and unprepared.

Federal Cartridge has its main plant located near where I live. They have been going 24/7 for years. Other Alliant companies have been too. If you honestly think that Federal or CCI or whoever will increase production of components to satisfy the reloading markets demands, you are fooling yourself. Reloading supplies are a secondary product after all their demands for finished ammo is satisfied. There simply is more demand for finished ammo than there is reloading suppplies. We essentially get the table scraps after the dinner guests are fed. Reloading might be our world, buy our world is a small one.....

BTW, Nosualc does shoot competitively. He set a national record in September, and did the same thing three more times over the couse of the day. It was an impressive day of shooting.

Please, buy what you need and think of the guy in line behind you. If you are the only one with primers or powder or bullets, you eventually will get lonely at matches. After this scare passes, take some inititive and put some components aside so you too can sit back and watch "the show" the next time it happens. History does repeat itself.

Scott

 

[Gina1]

Its a run....



Went down to my local sports store yesterday (Sportsmen's warehouse) to pick up some powder, bullets and primers.
Every friggin primer bin and shelf was empty !! At least I was able to get power and bullets. Walked over to the gun counter to talk to the manager, and it was like rush hour at Grand Central Station. I just turned and walked out.
2009-2010 all over again ??

Gina

 

[Jeff_in_OH]

Re: Its a run....

My main store still had lots of LR primers in stock, but NO SR Mag primers. I bought the last Federal 205's (case of 5000) and my Brother-in-Law bought the last 4000 CCI SR primers. Powder & bullets are still available. I was down to <2000 SR and still have 7000 LR so it was time to re-stock.

 

[fredhorace77]

Re: Its a run....

My main store still had lots of LR primers in stock, but NO SR Mag primers. I bought the last Federal 205's (case of 5000) and my Brother-in-Law bought the last 4000 CCI SR primers. Powder & bullets are still available. I was down to <2000 SR and still have 7000 LR so it was time to re-stock.

youll be glad you did...price is going to go up soon

 

[CJ6]

In general I have a 2 yr supply of P,P,B and replenish at yrs end. However IF I run into a GOOD sale I'll pickup what I can afford at the time.This has kept me in GOODSTEAD over the yrs.

 

[stinnett1981]

If you are looking for primers, I would suggest 3rd Generation Shooter Supply (aka Gene Sears) in El Reno, OK. http://store.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/

I ordered 12k today. I mix of small and large rifle, small pistol, and 209s. They had large stock of most primers. They were out of CCI and Winny small pistols. Had to go with Federals. For whatever reason PVI was also out of WSP primers. Don't understand the run on those.

Luck in your search. I know the hoarders have cleaned the shelves at my local Academy and Gander Mountain. I try to always keep a couple of year supply of my components and just replace as I consume. I am not sure what some of these guys do with 30k primers... Maybe once I reach retirement I can find time to burn up barrels and powder. That isn't going to be soon.

Tim

Thanks for that info. Just stocked up!

 

[LHSmith]

nosualc- Pls. read my post more CAREFULLY......I use components as a bargaining chip, a hedge against the inflated $ ....never said I expect the same load to work in different barrels.....although in Pt. blank BR , certain components seem to work in most set-ups, Lapua brass, Fed. 205M's, "T" powder, or H-4198 for instance......you did preface your post about "components and ammunition"....not just primers.
Also, for the record, never bought during these panics......I buy when the right bargain comes up. Last time I bought primers they were under $100/ sleeve. Also, I have had too many FTF's during a match...I like having confidence in my components, and there has been more than one instance were certain lots of primers were known to have problems.
Having said all this, I think admonishing someone for buying more components than YOU think he should is just plain wrong.

 

[fredhorace77]

Having said all this, I think admonishing someone for buying more components than YOU think he should is just plain wrong.

+1

 

[STS]

I have a fair amount of powder on hand. As to the suggestion that the proper action is to buy only what you can use in a year of two, I am very happy that I have not done that over the last 40 years. I bought 100 pounds of H-335 delivered to me on their loading dock for $1 per pound. Shot every flake of it and now wish I would have bought more. In the mid 80's I bought the now famous T-322 for $80 a jug IIRC. I got 4 jugs of it and wish now I would have bought more of that also. I don't hoard. I do detect a trend in prices.

 

[savageshooter86]

I lucked out and got I believe the last cans of Varget around. Going tom to pick my 9#(same lot #) up and just barely got my 178 bthp I have been hunting(800 pieces). It is hard right now to find anything of use on the shelves or online

 

[LHSmith]

I haven't found any lot to lot deveation in any of the primers I shoot. Believe me I understand about eliminating variables and I can see a load not liking say, Winchester primers but loving CCI's etc but not lot to lot... Maybe I've been just lucky?
Powders yes, primers no.

Actually, there have been numerous instances through the years where the manufacturer made significant changes in it's primer construction ....i.e. cup hardness, primer mixture, anvil design, only one that comes to mind is Fed 205's as verified by German Salazar's test's where he specifically notes a change to a hotter primer around 1980.
It is a manufactured product made by the millions, it's bound to have some variations between production runs.
Whether it affects me @ 100/200 yds? At least it's one variable that I can eliminate by using same lot.

 

[fpskills]

Agreed that it's a manufactured product made in the millions, and there no doubting Germans tests and knowledge , but I'm not using primers that are thirty years old either. I guess what I'm saying is I would feel perfectly comfortable going into a 1000 yd F-Class match and not worrying about my loads, because I opened a new box of primers. I've got other things to blame my shooting problems on, like the wind for example.

Back on topic, I'm not one to hoard but I've got enough for my season and maybe next year with a prairie dog shoot thrown in for good measure. I guess I would be upset to see someone walk out with a full case under his arm, only to get none. Is it his right, sure it is. I wouldn't do it knowing the guys behind me in line are there for the same thing.

Merry Christmas

Adam

 

[M14AMU]

The only time I'd be 'under stocked' would be if I was broke....and I ain't never been broke!!