Redding Type S Neck Bushing Die question

[MildBill]

can the Redding Type S Neck Bushing die be set up to bump the shoulder back like the forster bushing bump die?

What are the pros and cons of one vs the other?

Thanks

 

[SmokinJoe]

Most of the time a Redding FL Type S bushing die works well as a bump die, too. You do have to have an accurate enough setup to make precise bumpback possible. I use Skip Otto die shims in a good tight press. It is important to have consistent lubrication on the cases if you want consistent results. I use Hornady One Shot spray because it is brain-dead simple to get a consistent coating, and not too much either. Sometimes it is necessary to re-anneal in order to get consistent bumpback, also. Hope this helps get you headed in the right direction. BTW, a neck die does not make an acceptable bump die, IMO.

 

[CatShooter]

can the Redding Type S Neck Bushing die be set up to bump the shoulder back like the forster bushing bump die?

What are the pros and cons of one vs the other?

Thanks

I have used Redding "S" bushing neck dies for many years, and now have over a dozen of them.

NONE of them will touch the shoulder when seated to hit the shell holder... so I don't know how you expect to "bump" the shoulder back if the die does not touch the case??

Meow.

 

[CatShooter]

Most of the time a Redding FL Type S bushing die works well as a bump die, too. You do have to have an accurate enough setup to make precise bumpback possible. I use Skip Otto die shims in a good tight press. It is important to have consistent lubrication on the cases if you want consistent results. I use Hornady One Shot spray because it is brain-dead simple to get a consistent coating, and not too much either. Sometimes it is necessary to re-anneal in order to get consistent bumpback, also. Hope this helps get you headed in the right direction. BTW, a neck die does not make an acceptable bump die, IMO.

Smokin' Joe...

Dude!

I got a question for yourself.

I have been using "S" bushing dies since the beginning of time (I'm REAL OLD, ask my kidlet ), and I set them down to hit the shell holder (hard), and I have never touched (id est, "Bumped") a shoulder.

So I read your post about bumping shoulders with bushing "S" dies and I can't figure it out, you know, mine won't and yours will... so what's wrong with mine???.

So I called Redding and talked to their en-ga-neering guys, and they said that it is impossible to bump the shoulder with a "S" bushing die - they are designed to never allow that.

So I figure that since you are doing it all the time, it must have something to do with those magic shims you were talking about.

So can you tell all of us about those shims that allow the case to go further in the die, than the shell holder will allow?

Inquiring minds want to know (at least mine does )

Meow

 

[queen_stick]

Most of the time a Redding FL Type S bushing die works well as a bump die, too. You do have to have an accurate enough setup to make precise bumpback possible. I use Skip Otto die shims in a good tight press. It is important to have consistent lubrication on the cases if you want consistent results. I use Hornady One Shot spray because it is brain-dead simple to get a consistent coating, and not too much either. Sometimes it is necessary to re-anneal in order to get consistent bumpback, also. Hope this helps get you headed in the right direction. BTW, a neck die does not make an acceptable bump die, IMO.

SmokinJoe's response is for the FL dies, not the neck die...

Also I think the OP is trying to compare the Redding bushing NECK die to the forster FL bushing die, but I could be wrong.

A neck die is a neck die... it won't touch the shoulder or the body. Some use bushings to adjust how much you want to size the neck. FL bushing dies bump the shoulder, size the body, and use bushing to size the neck... all in one pass. Comparing the two is "apples to oranges."

 

[CatShooter]

Yeah...

But MildBill is using a "S" bushing "NECK" die ??

So how does that workie?

Meow.

 

[queen_stick]

like this...

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=383228&cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Reloading%20-%20Dies%20%26%20Shellholders-_-PriceCompListing-_-383228

 

[bozo699]

Mildbill ask if a redding s n/k die would bump the shoulder like the forster bushing n/k die with shoulder bump, forster does make a die like that, so to answer your original question Bill NO the redding n/k die will not bump the shoulder, however the f/l bushing redding die will.
Wayne.

 

[queen_stick]

Mildbill ask if a redding s n/k die would bump the shoulder like the forster bushing n/k die with shoulder bump, forster does make a die like that, so to answer your original question Bill NO the redding n/k die will not bump the shoulder, however the f/l bushing redding die will.
Wayne.

I didn't know that Wayne. (I've never used any Forster dies) Thanks for clarifying!

 

[bozo699]

Walt,
I don't own one but I read somewhere that Forster makes a bushing n/k die that will bump the shoulder but not disturb the body.
Wayne.

 

[bozo699]

I do own a competition set of forster dies in 6br and there every bit as good if not better then any of the redding dies I own.
Wayne.

 

[dogdude]

I have a FORSTER NECK BUSHING/SHOULDER BUMP DIE in 6x47L. work's great, quick and easy, but i would chamber those case's before going to a match just to make sure they fit the way you want. best of luck DOGDUDE

 

[MildBill]

can the Redding Type S Neck Bushing die be set up to bump the shoulder back like the forster bushing bump die?

What are the pros and cons of one vs the other?

Thanks

I have used Redding "S" bushing neck dies for many years, and now have over a dozen of them.

NONE of them will touch the shoulder when seated to hit the shell holder... so I don't know how you expect to "bump" the shoulder back if the die does not touch the case??

Meow.

Hi Catshooter,

I do not own any redding s type neck bushing dies at this time. I was asking about them as I am interested in trying a bushing type die and was curious as to what it was able to do or not do as compared to forster bushing bump die, which I am also somewhat interested in as a bushing option.

 

[bozo699]

Bill,
Your question was a real good question that many people wouldn't have been able to answer, thats what makes this forum stand above the others,.. people like you ask viable questions and most people give good viable answers, keep the questions coming, I have plenty of questions myself
sincerely Wayne.

 

[300 RUM]

How far is the neck from the die, does it touch, if so you could turn a few thou of your shell holder to make it touch.

 

[243winxb]

can the Redding Type S Neck Bushing die be set up to bump the shoulder back like the forster bushing bump die?

What are the pros and cons of one vs the other?

Thanks

The Redding only sizes the neck. The Forster sizes the neck & bumps the shoulder back. Bumping a shoulder back, without supporting the case body, may produce ammo that will not chamber.

 

[fe1]

Today I was setting up a brand new 6.5x47L Redding Type S neck bushing die with a .289 bushing and using a brand new custom chamber guage.The New cases (ran thru a K&M expandiron) in the chamber gauge measured 3.201" before neck sizing. I sized the first case and afterwards it measured 3.197" a difference of .004" less than the unsized case.
So my question is if it did not move the shoulder back, then what moved to make the case shorter.

 

[eddywitay]

I use the comp dies on most of my guns and the neck die does not touch the shoulder and the dies with the sliding sleeve should never be adjusted to cam over in the press that is a surefire way to trash a really expensive die if you want to bump the shoulder use a body die and competition shell holders or skips machine shims that is the best way in my opion to give you that.001 to.002 that you are looking for

 

[mtang45]

Today I was setting up a brand new 6.5x47L Redding Type S neck bushing die with a .289 bushing and using a brand new custom chamber guage.The New cases (ran thru a K&M expandiron) in the chamber gauge measured 3.201" before neck sizing. I sized the first case and afterwards it measured 3.197" a difference of .004" less than the unsized case.
So my question is if it did not move the shoulder back, then what moved to make the case shorter.

Just a guess, but perhaps the necks have gotten a little hardened and when being sized you are putting pressure on and collapsing (not bumping) the shoulder .004. How many firings on the brass?

eta; Just re-read your post and saw "New brass" so my suggestion is less likely.

 

[fe1]

Sized the next case after backing the die out a little and it was the same length as prior to sizing.
The first case was visibly sized further down the neck than the second but no where near the shoulder. I'm just wondering where its changing the OAL of the case?
I'm sure after fire forming the first case will be fine.