Recommend a bullet for 308win f class
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Optimus HBC Projectiles are getting a good rep. in my club.
http://www.optimusprojectiles.com/hbc-155-grain-bullet.html
http://www.optimusprojectiles.com/hbc-155-grain-bullet.html
Designed for use on 300 meter targets, on 600 you might get them to work well or you might not. Beyond that they're a waste of time, barrel life and money despite what one or two folks who suggest them for 1,000 yards will tell you.
Don't forget the lowly 155SMK either, or Nosler's equivalent. 2155 or newer 2156 by number, or any 155's from Berger. John Whidden just won another Long Range Championship at Atterbury partly using a 1:10 308 for the Palma Match. 155's work fine out to 1,000 yards.
Try the Berger 155.5 for light wind and the 185 Juggs for windy days. Both work well with IMR 4064 or Varget.
I have had good luck with the Berger 200-20X. 0.098 freebord. Tommy Mc..Varget was used..
Big McMillan, when you say good luck, was this out to 1000 yards? If so, in a f class match?
185 Juggs. That and Varget will do the job. Learn to shoot that. Very easy to tune
Tommy McDonnell Not At a match. 1000 yard range at the ranch.we use IBS targets buy them in 50 target lot. Did not mean to miss lead you. Tommy Mc
Jdne5b
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If it works, I wouldnt change. If you want more BC i would look to get setup (twist and freebore) for the 195-200gr options.
JBT47
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Some find the 185 Juggs a little easier to tune.
Would a 185 Hybrid stabilize in a 1-11.25 twist barrel? I used to run 44.4gr Varget behind the Juggernaut but since I changed to a chassis I can't seem to run more than 43.2 the results are still good. I'm curious to try the Hybrid as they have a higher BC. I am building a dedicated F-TR rifle over the winter for the 200gr bullets
The 168gr SMK is a good bullet as long as you keep them super sonic. I would never suggest their use at 1,000yds. I only use them for 800yds and less.
With that being said they will make it to 1k but on whose target is the question.
Let me look: found it.
Thousands of targets are shot in Palma competition using the Berger 155.5 gr bullet. More MV, less recoil than the options listed.
Thousands of targets are shot in Palma competition using the Berger 155.5 gr bullet. More MV, less recoil than the options listed.
memilanuk
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The Sierra 155 Palma or Berger 155.5 Fullbore are both very good bullets, and will get to 1k easily, even in a 10 twist. Seen it done many times, and at considerably above 2850, despite what others might claim. Fliers started more in the >3100 range 
followed shortly by bullets just not making it to the target 
Shy of that, back down at reasonable velocities (2950-3050), they just don't care that much whether its a 10 twist or a 13 twist, or something in between.
The beauty of 155s in a .308 is that a drunken monkey could fall off a stump and accidentally find an accurate load on the way down. Someone who knows what they're doing, putting actual effort into load development with them can be terrifyingly accurate. Most of the serious .308 shooters I know agree that the 155s are *very* difficult to best when it comes to sheer accuracy, particularly vertical. They are very, very forgiving of all manner of gun-handling sins.
Windage... is a challenge. 600 and in, I'd say take the more accurate 155 load, and spend a little extra time getting good at reading the wind. The difference isn't that huge. At 1k... you're going to have to be really on top of your game to outperform shooters running heavies. Ironically, to me, the difference isn't in big wind conditions. It's not that hard to see and identify a big change, and twist the knobs accordingly. It's the light twitchy conditions that you *can't* see, or can't read well, where the heavies actually pay dividends... its the difference between a squeaker 10 and a 9 just over the line, that's what kills you.
The 185s are *almost* as easy to tune as the 155s... not quite, but close. And they do have a better B.C. Gun handling is still not *too* critical.
The 200s... for me at least... are way, way fussier to tune. The accuracy windows are much tighter. Minor variations in seating depth, powder charge, component lots, etc. can take a load from good to bad rather quickly. Gun handling becomes *very* critical. If you can do everything exactly the same, every time, great. But minor inconsistencies in shoulder and cheek pressure that would hardly affect 155s start slinging bullets up, down, all around with 200s.
It makes the scores shot with 200s in recent years that much more impressive, at least to me.
followed shortly by bullets just not making it to the target Shy of that, back down at reasonable velocities (2950-3050), they just don't care that much whether its a 10 twist or a 13 twist, or something in between.The beauty of 155s in a .308 is that a drunken monkey could fall off a stump and accidentally find an accurate load on the way down. Someone who knows what they're doing, putting actual effort into load development with them can be terrifyingly accurate. Most of the serious .308 shooters I know agree that the 155s are *very* difficult to best when it comes to sheer accuracy, particularly vertical. They are very, very forgiving of all manner of gun-handling sins.
Windage... is a challenge. 600 and in, I'd say take the more accurate 155 load, and spend a little extra time getting good at reading the wind. The difference isn't that huge. At 1k... you're going to have to be really on top of your game to outperform shooters running heavies. Ironically, to me, the difference isn't in big wind conditions. It's not that hard to see and identify a big change, and twist the knobs accordingly. It's the light twitchy conditions that you *can't* see, or can't read well, where the heavies actually pay dividends... its the difference between a squeaker 10 and a 9 just over the line, that's what kills you.
The 185s are *almost* as easy to tune as the 155s... not quite, but close. And they do have a better B.C. Gun handling is still not *too* critical.
The 200s... for me at least... are way, way fussier to tune. The accuracy windows are much tighter. Minor variations in seating depth, powder charge, component lots, etc. can take a load from good to bad rather quickly. Gun handling becomes *very* critical. If you can do everything exactly the same, every time, great. But minor inconsistencies in shoulder and cheek pressure that would hardly affect 155s start slinging bullets up, down, all around with 200s.
It makes the scores shot with 200s in recent years that much more impressive, at least to me.
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