Reason why some die mfrs don’t make Wilson style seaters

[dgeesaman]

Whidden for example. They only make threaded dies.

David

 

[LCazador]

I would think it's a major expense to tool up but it could be that they just want to cater to a bigger segment of the market. Wilson is now making threaded dies.

 

[nicholst55]

I would agree that it's the market size. I figure that probably 95% of reloaders use threaded dies. That estimate may be high, but I would expect that it's pretty close.

 

[BenPerfected]

Maybe because Wilson owns the seater market?

 

[Uncle Ed]

Reason why some die mfrs don’t make inline seaters

Because Redding and Forster benchrest seating dies are better, and can actually correct neck runout.

Reloading: Seating Die Runout. Seating Die Induced Runout - A Comparison by Germán A. Salazar

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVorCfmq3fAhXomOAKHbIpCYkQFjAAegQIBxAC&url=http://www.uniquetek.com/store/696296/uploaded/Reloading-Seating-Die-Runout.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0PTrUzbIFGXpTquMkz6CtT

And now, the moment you've been waiting for...
#1 - Redding Competition Seating Die (sliding sleeve type, threaded die)
The Redding, which I expected to finish high, did what I thought couldn't be done - it
produced rounds with an average runout that was less than the average case neck
runout of the brass used. In none of the ten rounds loaded did the Redding increase
the runout; it either held exactly the same or it decreased. The Redding, with an
Average Runout Change of -0.0003" is the winner. The negative sign, of course,
indicates a reduction in runout.

 

[Uncle Ed]

View attachment 1079989 I wonder why so many top shooters still prefer Wilson seaters

Because they started reloading using Lee Loaders and prefer beating on their cases with a plastic hammer

I bought the above Lee loader and a Remington 760 Gamemaster pump a week after I got out of the military in 1973. The 3rd time I fired my neck sized cases they would not eject until the cases cooled off. That night I bought my RCBS Rockchucker press and a set of RCBS full length dies.

 

[Uncle Ed]

Maybe you were doing something wrong
Did you read the instructions ?

The internet didn't exist in 1973 and I didn't think to ask F. Guffey if a Lee Loader would work with a Remington pump.

In my neck of the woods the Remington 760 pump is called a Amish machine gun. But the Lee loader turned my 760 pump into a single shot. Live and learn and don't try to save money neck sizing with a Lee Loader when the cartridge should fit the chamber like a rat turd in a violin case.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I use threaded Redding, Forster, and RCBS for some cartridges with excellent results. Nowadays with custom wildcat chambers, I buy a custom Whidden FL sizing dies and Wilson Micrometer 'blank' seater dies then have seater blank chambered with my finish reamer for a perfect fit.

 

[dgeesaman]

I use threaded Redding, Forster, and RCBS for some cartridges with excellent results. Nowadays with custom wildcat chambers, I buy a custom Whidden FL sizing dies and Wilson Micrometer 'blank' seater dies and have seater blank chambered with my finish reamer for a perfect fit.

I suppose that’s the question behind my question: I plan to do the same thing for my new 6 BRA reamer and wondered why I had to shop across premium brands to get an arbor press seater.

I’ll contact them and ask.

David

 

[KenOath]

I suppose that’s the question behind my question: I plan to do the same thing for my new 6 BRA reamer and wondered why I had to shop across premium brands to get an arbor press seater.

I’ll contact them and ask.

David

You won’t go wrong with a Harrell’s FL Bushing Die and Wilson inline seater, specially a blank seater cut with your reamer. More feel when seating with an arbor press also.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I was looking at the Warner Tool custom sizing dies. Expensive as hell, but really cool concept.

https://www.warner-tool.com/reloading-dies/

 

[KenOath]

I was looking at the Warner Tool custom sizing dies. Expensive as hell, but really cool concept.

https://www.warner-tool.com/reloading-dies/

Very nice looking Die but yeah a little on the pricey side..

 

[mikecr]

Reason why some die mfrs don’t make inline seaters
A lot of die makers offer threaded presses, which are damn handy for case sizing.
Most reloaders have & use threaded presses that dies screw into.
Might as well offer threaded seating dies and threaded sizing dies -for presses we all have anyway.
It's universal, and covering far more of the market.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Ok, I have to ask... I'm a little confused with the term "INLINE" seater. Are there dies that seat the bullets at a 45 or sideways??? Lol

All my seaters, threaded or arbor, seat bullets "inline" with the case

 

[Puzzaz01]

The way I understand it is, an inline is the same as an arbor.

Darrin

 

[dgeesaman]

Ok, I have to ask... I'm a little confused with the term "INLINE" seater. Are there dies that seat the bullets at a 45 or sideways??? Lol

All my seaters, threaded or arbor, seat bullets "inline" with the case

Title fixed.

Sorry I think I heard that somewhere but I guess it's better known as an arbor press seater or Wilson type seater.

 

[dcali]

Maybe the margins are higher on the threaded dies. The market is certainly bigger.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Title fixed.

Sorry I think I heard that somewhere but I guess it's better known as an arbor press seater or Wilson type seater.

I'm honestly curious. To me the term 'inline' when describing seater dies is pleonastic. But there may be a reason why some folks say it.

I looked 'on'line and theres videos where one guy titles a clip "Wilson inline seaters", then the next guy titles his clip "Hornady and Forster inline seaters". Ummm...ok. They are all inline so who's right or wrong?

Just a dumb question I had anyhow. Doesnt even really matter or make any difference

 

[dmoran]

So now the discussion is arguing over what someone may call inline dies.... ROFLMAO

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

I think it's all about the feel after all this is hand loading. I have loaded many rounds with threaded and Wilson style seaters and have had good results with both. I have however migrated to and now only use the Wilson style because I can monitor/ feel my neck tension much better. This allows me a chance to adjust my ammo if I feel something I don't like.