I'm just the opposite...I think hummers are a result of the whole package working together. But I have seen a couple and yes, they do seem to last for seemingly forever. Maybe that's just what it seems like when it belongs to someone you shoot against though...those do last forever, I'm pretty sure. Lol!
re using barrels
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okie
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my definition of a hummer is not what boyers is!!
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
A hummer doesnt drift as much with wind changes and will shoot tiny tiny holes even with wildly varying powder loads
okie
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yep--im no BR champ-- those guys would probably use my best barrel to fireform!
Not 6mm, I have one in 30 caliber sitting on a shelf, as a happy memory. After 6K plus rounds, it was ready to retire.
I would be leery of re-boring a barrel. The stresses, and harmonics will change, and it will likely be more useful as a tomato stake.
A lack of knowledge is a terrible thing, especially when you can gain that knowledge easily.
Dan Pedersen, Classic Barrel and Gunworks, has been in the business of re-boring rifle barrels for the last 25 years that I know of. Then there is:
Randy's Custom Rifles and Rebarreling
Oregunsmithing, LLC
J E S Rifle Reboring
Redman's Rifling and Reboring (although he is not accepting rebores right now)
All of these gentlemen have been in business providing rebores for literally thousands of customers, successfully. Yes there are restrictions as to what types of barrels will and will not work. There is a litany of facts which apply to successful reboring and you will be surprised at the potential for improvement in accuracy. Visit their websites and read what they have to say before you castigate the process.
there can be inconsistencies in barrels from the same maker. I remember, my first trip to the Super Shoot; sitting underneath the awning of Ed Shilen's motorhome, and listening to Tony Boyer and a few others pontificate on barrels. Ed sent Tony six LV and six HV barrels every year (iirc?). Earlier that day I sat behind Tony and watched him shoot a couple groups, then change barrels. I asked him, after three or four changes, why he was testing if they were all the same. He just grinned and said he was trying to find out which barrel wanted to win the SS that year.
So, six barrels with the same contour and length, all chambered for 6PPC; why would one be better, or worse at a given match...?
Along that same line, a friend bought one of the new 1895 Winchesters in 270. He wanted a 9,3X62; so had Petersen bore and rifle it. Petersen called him, and said there was an occlusion/hard spot about a foot in front of the chamber that the 9,3 caliber would not clean up. Making lemonade out of that lemon, he had a 405 Winchester rebore and lived happily ever after.
I think, a Hummer just comes from a perfect blank with no hard or soft spots, and machines clean at every step of the process.
Would that translate to the rebore? Maybe...
So, six barrels with the same contour and length, all chambered for 6PPC; why would one be better, or worse at a given match...?
Along that same line, a friend bought one of the new 1895 Winchesters in 270. He wanted a 9,3X62; so had Petersen bore and rifle it. Petersen called him, and said there was an occlusion/hard spot about a foot in front of the chamber that the 9,3 caliber would not clean up. Making lemonade out of that lemon, he had a 405 Winchester rebore and lived happily ever after.
I think, a Hummer just comes from a perfect blank with no hard or soft spots, and machines clean at every step of the process.
Would that translate to the rebore? Maybe...
I stand corrected!
jds holler
Gold $$ Contributor
Pretty neat site; I enjoyed looking, and learned a little besides. I'd do business with the man. jd
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Reboring an old 336 marlin and a benchrest rifle are 2 way different things. How many of any of those rebores have ever went on to be competitive do you figure?
well, it seemed to work for H.M. Pope. He was noted in the accuracy world of his time for reboring the 32-40 to the 33-47 and the 38-55 to the 39-59. These were Winchester HiWall and Stevens target rifles which started out accurate.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Not sure. Out of hundreds of barrels ive had ive never had one
Someone must have came to that conclusion. I cannot fathom anything that a barrel could do to make bullets drift less from crosswinds.
Since I don't own any of these businesses, I wouldn't know or want to guess. I do know that I've seen some target after the rebore took place and they are pretty impressive, not record breaking but impressive none the less.
All reboring is not necessarily centered around older or less accurate rifles. Many rebores are tired, older barrels which might have significance to the owner who wants to preserve the roll markings or imprints on the outside of the original barrel. Others I have see have been expensive double rifles which have barrels impossible to replace. There have probably been a few where the barrel was more than reasonably accurate and the owner wanted to try the next caliber up but therein lies the problem with some of the benchrest barrels. Nearly everyone in the point blank field shoots the 6PPC so reboring is a no-go right from the start because you have to open the bore to a larger size. Other venues though could very well use rebores if the shooting cadres found the process acceptable. I could see going from the .375 CheyTac to the .408 CheyTac because of the ease of the process and the expense of the original barrel.
In reality though, I don't find many if any of the F-Class shooters or 1,000 yard BR shooter using this application as they are usually more than will to pony up for a new barrel.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
All i know is what they say and what we see. Folks that never even get a participation trophy suddenly get a barrel and win the super shoot or any other match, set a few records, wear the barrel out and fade into obscurity never placing in another match.
HaHa...yeah, I laughed too and took the finding, acquiring and ownership/enjoyment of "these kind of barrels" for granted. I believed a fantastic shooting barrel was just a phone call and $300-$400 away. 30 years later and not very many of these kind of barrels later I now realize just how rare and hard to find they can be.
You can believe one thing...when I get my hands on one now.....it is not for sale!!!!!
Yes I agree in 2013 I got my 2nd long range barrel. A Krieger 7 mm had it chamberd in 284 to shoot at our club 1000yd matches. My friend had a good shooting 284 and told me to load 56 grains of 4831 with a br 2 primer and 180 hybrid. So went out shot it first time all in ragged hole. After a few shots to zero scope and check for copper in barrel no copper so no break in. That was load development all in about 8 shots. I never changed the load on this until about 500 rounds. This barrel with that load produced a ton of 3" and 4"groups and several sub 3" groups .And I only had only shot 6 brs prior to this so the difference in recoil didn't even matter? All this fancy stuff we do for loading and load development ment nothing for this barrel. Loaded with regular press dies And rcbs charge master . Sorting bullets ment grabbing them out of box and putting in case. After 500 rounds I tried different seating depths and charge weight it didn't seam to matter 52 to 57 seamed to make no difference in accuracy. And moving the bullet in and out made no difference 10 in to 15 out. This rifle won small group 7 matches in a row and for a while shot the smallest group and highest score at our club. It fired a 146 score (3 5shot groups) with no sighters at all except for fireing a round of sighters before the match. Kyle Brown broke our club record with a 147 a few years ago. It really made shooting easy and fun. And since then I've went through a good many barrels and calibers and my reloading room looks like the jet propulsion laboratory with all the arbor presses with gauges hanging on them scales that could weigh a pimple on a atoms behind and I've never been even close to that kind of performance yet. So after the long boring story I just told it had to be the barrel... something made it special but what? Am not gonna call it a hummer but it definitely wasn't a bummer. And yes it was a primer pocket loosening lapua brass eating sob but who cares it would shoot........
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