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RCBS Charge Master ............ First Impressions

I hate hand-weighing powder for my .223 and 6mm BR cartridges; therefore, whenever possible I've been using my Hornady Lock-N-Load Case Activated Powder Drop with the Hornady progressive press. Careful testing has revealed that I can produce loads with maximum errors between 3/4% up to about 1.5% of the target weight, depending on the powder kernel size and shape. In other words, at worst it will produce loads with an error less than plus or minus two tenths of a grain and the best powders will give results better than plus or minus one tenth of a grain. That is good but not great and many shooters would agree that there is performance to be gained with a charge that is more precise, even if that gain might be small.

Unfortunately, the best dispensing powders are often not the most accurate. Now that I compete in F/TR shooting at 600 yards, hand weighing is something I am forced to confront.

The RCBS Charge Master has a good reputation, but the advertised accuracy of plus and minus a tenth of a grain isn't significantly better than what I enjoy with a strictly mechanical powder dump. That fact, coupled with a street price of around $360 has, up to now, prevented me from jumping on the high-tech band-wagon even though my wife has been encouraging me to treat myself to a Charge Master as a Christmas gift.

When Cabelas ran a special pre-Christmas sale on Charge Masters priced at $274 along with a free shipping offer, I couldn't resist. RCBS also has a $50 rebate offer if you spend $300, so with a few additions to my shopping cart, I placed my order.

Now that I have loaded more than 300 rounds, I can say I'm very glad I have the RCBS Charge Master. However, it's far from perfect. Today, for example, I loaded 50 rounds of .223 with 22.0 grains of IMR 8208 XBR for an upcoming accuracy test. I checked each and every load on my Gem Pro 250, a device not without its own problems, but using appropriate weighing techniques can make the scale quite functional and give better than 1/10 grain resolution without spending a fortune on a laboratory-grade scale.

Nearly half the Charge Master loads were exactly 22.00gr when checked on the Gem Pro, which has a resolution of .02gr. So I feel quite confident the loads don't vary more than that. Most of the other charges were over or under only by .02gr and some by .04gr; requiring me to add or subtract a couple of kernels with my large tweezers to hit the target of 22.00gr right on the nose
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This procedure is quick, easy, and precise; quite unlike my previous routine involving a powder scoop followed by trying to trickle powder up to the target weight. Frequent over-shoots were frustrating and contributed to my intense dislike of hand weighing. As an alternative, I tried my Hornady dispenser set to just below my target weight, followed by trickling up to the desired weight, but the problems were the same. Trickling an additional tenth of a grain or more was just too fiddly, partially because of the way the Gem Pro works. Subtracting more than a tenth was worse. Now, with the Charge Master, I can come so close to the target that only minor corrections are required for all but a very few cartridges.

The problem with the Gem Pro is that is not very tolerant to fiddling around with the amount of powder in the funnel/pan. If I trickle too much or for too long a time, the scale loses accuracy. In other words, if it requires a lot of trickling to reach the target and then I overshoot a bit and have to pick out a couple of kernels, I will discover that the displayed weight is out of whack. Pouring the powder into the case, zeroing the scale, and re-weighing that charge will frequently show that the results have changed. Putting an empty pan on the scale will sometimes show a tare weight other than zero or the scale takes quite a while to search for a indication of zero. So I have to empty the pan, zero the tare weight, flick out a few grains from the case, and weigh the charge again. If I can quickly trickle up to the target weight and if I gently touch the scale platform, I may find that I have hit the weight perfectly, but only if I don't fiddle around too much. Of course, a final pan dump and re-weigh is required to confirm my suspicions. Next thing I know, I'm weighing the powder in many cartridges three or even four times to make sure I'm getting it correct. Even then, I have a tendency to accept charge weights with errors of .02gr or more depending on how old and how crusty I'm feeling on that particular day.

But if I can hit the target weight to within two or four hundredths of a grain, I can get to the target weight with a few kernels added or subtracted with tweezers in one quick operation. A touch of the scale platform or momentarily lifting the dispensing pan/funnel off the scale and then returning it will put me right on target. I can have the powder into the case and get the pan/funnel back on the Gem Pro just about the time the Charge Master is finished with the next charge. My blood pressure goes down too.

After learning the quirks of the Gem Pro, I quickly gained confidence in the procedure and I've learned just how many kernels I must deal with to shift the weight by .02 grains. After some practice, I am able to correct a load quickly and accurately so that I can hit the target weight to the limits of the precision of my scale. I find that I am discarding a charge and starting over once in a while, but only occasionally; i.e. one or two out of a hundred. Starting over is quicker than fiddling around and re-confirming the charge weight as I used to do.

Out of 50 rounds loaded today, the Charge Master produced one which were overweight by a tenth of a grain without producing an overweight warning and one overweight charge which did give a warning. Yesterday, I made 90 rounds using three different powders without a single over-shoot and exactly half the rounds were within .02gr of the target weight. The other half required only minor corrections (many only .02gr) and I didn't notice any charge worse than .08gr from the desired weight.

As far as I'm concerned, that's good enough for most purposes except for competitive shooting in which case I would say you shouldn't trust the Charge Master without backing up the results with a second (more precise) scale.

In spite of not being able to totally trust the results without double-checking, I will have to say the RCBS Charge Master is worth every penny. Now I can enjoy the benefits of ultra precise powder charges so that when the bullets do not all go into the same hole, I can look elsewhere for the reason. Hand loading is still more tedious than mechanical dispensing, but with help from the Charge Master I find that making ultra precise loads is no longer absolute drudgery for me. I wouldn't say it is fun, but it is at least tolerable.

Alternatively, when I am loading rounds for my wife for fun in a non-competitive situation, I can make a decently precise product by accepting the charges right from the Charge Master without double-checking them on my Gem Pro 250.
 
Good review Mozella.
I've checked mine with a gem pro and borrowed sartorious entris 64 and found your results to mimic mine. I don't bother with the gem pro for steel bashing and I dont think I would use it for a cartridge with more then 30g of powder either. I do shoot .223 primarily so I load to the grain as I think it makes a difference
I've found that spreading a few kernels of powder on the countertop and pressing my fingers into them, then rolling it into the pan or funnel speeds up the process. You need .04 of varget? Roll off 2 kernels, 8208 takes a bit of guess work but it's easy to figure out. Little faster then tweezers anyway
 
Youd be surprised how many world records have been shattered and how many "screamer" groups have been shot in benchrest using a chargemaster. You can have the most precice powder charges known to man but shoot them over a wind change, store bought bullet, sorry cases, bad ignition in your gun, bad scope- youll never see the extra time you spent cause its way lost in that noise of the other variables most dont consider
 
No doubt about it Dusty... Making good ammo is easy, time consuming but not difficult. I freely admit the hardest variable to control is me and the wind.
Still wish I would have bought a mfr scale instead of a chargemaster, gempro, and tuned balance. Just for time saving of course ;)
 
I picked up my 2nd Chargemaster just like you on Cabelas, at $225 with rebate hard to pass on. Had my first for about two years, love it. With two running side by side, I can charge ten 6.5 creedmoor cases in just over two minutes. Read up on McDonald's straw mod if you have not already done so.

Dan
 
I have two one set 40 gr and under the other is set to run heavy charges. The one I use for small charges never drop under and on 40 cases 30 will be dead on the other are never more the .02 heavy unless I get a cluster of powder on final trickle Larry
 
With the straw mod and some program tweaking, you can make the CM even better! Its a very nice piece of reloading equipment.
 
Thank you for the review.

I do not shoot competitively but do try my very best in shredding paper.

I just started reloading and purchased a Lyman Gen6. It is going back to Brownell's to be be replaced with the RCBS.

If and when I have mastered all else and need to step up to 1 or 2/100 of a grain accuracy, I will reread and follow your advice.
 
Danattherock said:
........ snip............. Read up on McDonald's straw mod if you have not already done so.

Dan

I failed to mention that I did the straw mod before I turned it on for the first time. We cook at home and don't eat fast food (except Mexican), so I had to send my wife to McDonalds to steal a few straws.
 
ridgeway said:
With the straw mod and some program tweaking, you can make the CM even better! Its a very nice piece of reloading equipment.
Any web links to tweaks and the straw mod?



A Chargemaster is on our shopping list too and this thread has been helpful, thanks Mozella.
 
MDM, a member on this site, makes a very nice brass or aluminum insert that replaces the "straw mod" and looks good too.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3846088.msg36410118#msg36410118
 
savagedasher said:
I have two one set 40 gr and under the other is set to run heavy charges. The one I use for small charges never drop under and on 40 cases 30 will be dead on the other are never more the .02 heavy unless I get a cluster of powder on final trickle Larry

You can go into the programming of the Chargemaster and set it for Light, Medium, and Heavy Loads. Each group will have it's own High, Medium, and Trickle, set points.

That said, the best part of having two chargemasters is that one can use their progressive with a funnel instead of powder dispenser and crank out some nice evenly charged ammo, not having to wait for a single C/M to finish weighing.
 
I use my charge master to dump the initial load and then trickle with the the gem pro250 to get final charge weight. I use a brass insert from eBay after trying several straw mods. The brass collet has a smaller diameter.

The chargemaster tolerance is +/- 0.1 grain, which it will definitely hold. Most people I talk to say that 600 yard F/TR requires a +/- 0.05 grain tolerance which is 2-3 kernels of Varget. I imagine that other component variances would cause just as much issues.

For the price, there isn't much else out there. I'm waiting for a $500 force restoration scale.
 
waldo1979 said:
For the price, there isn't much else out there. I'm waiting for a $500 force restoration scale.

$441 USD (610 Canadian) plus shipping:

http://cambridgeenviro.com/productDetail.php?122g-x-0.001g-AandD-5-Year-Warranty-Top-Loading-Balance-5491
 
csandfort said:
MDM, a member on this site, makes a very nice brass or aluminum insert that replaces the "straw mod" and looks good too.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3846088.msg36410118#msg36410118
I am a satisfied customer of a pair of those, well worth the $$ to me. Also, I find that brass insert is less static compared to a McDonalds straw after prolonged use - which was visually noticeable in my unit. Additionally, I placed to ferrite cores on the power cable itself - I really did not think it would make any difference but it DID in my reloading room; basically I get a very consistent powder charge per session (continuous use) which usually amounts to 200-500 charges for 6.5x55. Reprogramming will speed things up greatly (basically you jack up time of the 'rough' drop and decrease a fine trickle time). Regardless of any if all upgrades/tweaking you will do to yours - out of 3 high end combos (lyman and Hornady), ChargeMaster was the best one for me of them all, thus the reason I only have a 1500 combo... Well worth the money for me. As stated, make sure you are not dealing with draft, crappy electrical and old fluorescent ballasts (yes, I had to replace my 4ft 'shop' lights for LEDs as strange as it sounds).
 
Cujo said:
waldo1979 said:
For the price, there isn't much else out there. I'm waiting for a $500 force restoration scale.

$441 USD (610 Canadian) plus shipping:

http://cambridgeenviro.com/productDetail.php?122g-x-0.001g-AandD-5-Year-Warranty-Top-Loading-Balance-5491

Nice. I like that it has a RS232 interface. It's pretty easy to automate trickling with an Arduino.
 

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