Quickload

[lhsako]

Dose anyone here do QL work ups for board members?

 

[TylerFromMS]

I can if you need one.

 

[DocBII]

lhsako,

The creator of the software has requested the site and it's members to not do this. I'm sure the mods will update this thread if the policy has changed.

DocBII

 

[Uncle Ed]

lhsako,

The creator of the software has requested the site and it's members to not do this. I'm sure the mods will update this thread if the policy has changed.

DocBII

NECO who sells Quickload in the US does not want to see this because they want to sell more Quickload disks. (GREED)

If you copy the Quickload CD and sell it then it is a Copyright violation. And the output of Quickload is not copyrighted anymore than the output of Microsoft Word is. Meaning "YOU" inputted the data into Quickload and the output belongs to "YOU" and not NECO.

 

[Dgd6mm]

That's one of the reasons to use PM's.

 

[Uncle Ed]

That's one of the reasons to use PM's.

NECO was going to all the reloading forums telling them they were breaking copyright laws.

The problem is NECO does not own the Quickload software, they only sell it in the US for the German owner.

And you will not find a single website that has had legal action taken against them for posting Quickload output.

Again, the output of Quickload is not copyright protected, anymore than what I'm typing here in the websites software is copyrighted.

P.S. If you copy anything I have written here I will have your birthday revoked and have you deported to the Wuhan street market in China.

 

[dcali]

This pops up from time to time. The numbers that come out of software are not copyrighted. The software itself is. That said, as someone who spent ten years writing software for a living, I get that people who spent a lot of effort (and QuickLOAD is a LOT of effort) would want people who use the software to pay for it. On the other hand, I can also see that having people who aren't going to buy it anyhow use your software in a limited way is a benefit - they'll be familiar and might buy it down the road. If I had written QuickLOAD it wouldn't bother me. But I didn't write QuickLOAD.

Either way, neither NECO nor the author of the software gets to tell you how you use it unless you agree to those terms in a license agreement, and those terms are not in the QuickLOAD license. If you want to run it for friends, that's your right.

Side note - if I owned (the copyright to) QuickLOAD, I'd put it on the web, charge an annual subscription, and keep it up to date. That's going to make a whole lot more than going to forums and trying to get people to not share the results of the runs. The hard part has already been done. I have no idea why they don't do this.

 

[memilanuk]

Another option - totally free - is Gordon's Reloading Tool. The databases are not quite as complete (yet), but the interface is far less... antiquated. And no more BS about having to order a physical CD.

Worth taking a look at.

 

[Mr Underbridge]

Another option - totally free - is Gordon's Reloading Tool. The databases are not quite as complete (yet), but the interface is far less... antiquated. And no more BS about having to order a physical CD.

Worth taking a look at.

They also have a discord(its a millenial thing) server to get help and talk about the software and reloading.

 

[jepp2]

I'll share the preference of the site.

Having someone run a Quickload calculation for someone else, could potentially run the risk of a liability if things go badly. I no longer run calculations for anyone else to not expose the site to this possibility. It is less about if you are cheating the creators of the software, and more about something else.

 

[TylerFromMS]

I got someone to run some powders for me before I bought it. I likely wouldn’t have bought it if not for that. It’s sort of like the Napster thing, where people that pirate were also the most likely to buy the music.

And yes, a subscription or some sort of download is needed. I wonder if not having one is more of an attempt to stop piracy or just the programmers preference?

On the other hand, I can also see that having people who aren't going to buy it anyhow use your software in a limited way is a benefit - they'll be familiar and might buy it down the road.

Side note - if I owned (the copyright to) QuickLOAD, I'd put it on the web, charge an annual subscription, and keep it up to date. That's going to make a whole lot more than going to forums and trying to get people to not share the results of the runs. The hard part has already been done. I have no idea why they don't do this.

 

[dcali]

I got someone to run some powders for me before I bought it. I likely wouldn’t have bought it if not for that. It’s sort of like the Napster thing, where people that pirate were also the most likely to buy the music.

And yes, a subscription or some sort of download is needed. I wonder if not having one is more of an attempt to stop piracy or just the programmers preference?

I'm guessing it's just a lack of willingness to update it to modern standards. There is literally no technical reason for the way they do it other than the cost/effort required to update it. It would cost a fair amount and you'd need someone to maintain it, but maybe they should think about licensing the development to someone else who can do this as a business while they concentrate on keeping the data up to date and depositing checks. A competent developer could come up with a good web version in a few months if they had access to the underlying code/models.

 

[memilanuk]

They (NECO) always claim that because the software is produced in Germany, there are very specific laws that apply to import/export of anything firearms related (similar to ITAR).

Which is interesting, because GRT is *also* based out of Germany...

...almost makes one think there might be a little bit of BS'ing going on?

 

[dcali]

They (NECO) always claim that because the software is produced in Germany, there are very specific laws that apply to import/export of anything firearms related (similar to ITAR).

Which is interesting, because GRT is *also* based out of Germany...

...almost makes one think there might be a little bit of BS'ing going on?

This is why they say it comes on a CD?

 

[memilanuk]

Yup

 

[Ned Ludd]

NECO who sells Quickload in the US does not want to see this because they want to sell more Quickload disks. (GREED)

If you copy the Quickload CD and sell it then it is a Copyright violation. And the output of Quickload is not copyrighted anymore than the output of Microsoft Word is. Meaning "YOU" inputted the data into Quickload and the output belongs to "YOU" and not NECO.

What an incredibly ignorant statement. It's not GREED, Ed. It's called capitalism. Someone worked to produce that software and they deserve recompense for their efforts. It's not "free stuff". If it was your business and people were buying a service from you, then giving it away free to others and undercutting your margin, you'd probably be screaming like a little baby. Further, your analogy between a QuickLoad output, of which the innate value is the information it contains, and a Word document, which is merely a printed page, is ludicrous. Try selling the code Microsoft uses to actually generate that document and see how that works out for you.

 

[dcali]

Yup

Do they say why it comes as some ass backwards Windows 3.1 program that's been ported through more windows versions than the tiger king has teeth? Germany again, I assume?

Seriously, though, I bet that would be an issue for an online version. But it's no excuse for how generally awful it is. It's a good thing for them that there's no competition.

 

[memilanuk]

It's a good thing for them that there's no competition.

GRT is getting there... slowly, but faster than QL is ever likely to improve.

 

[dcali]

GRT is getting there... slowly, but faster than QL is ever likely to improve.

I wasn't even aware of it. I'll drop QuickLOAD like a bad habit the second something sane comes out. If you have the math and data, it's very easy to recreate a good product. Liability insurance may be a problem, but the technical part that people care about is pretty easy.

 

[memilanuk]

I started looking at it last year, as they claim to have ports for PC and Linux. I know the lack of a Mac version has always been a beef with QL.

At the time, I was (for various reasons) running Linux on a ChromeBook as my 'daily driver', and as such didn't have enough horsepower to run any kind of emulator or virtual machine. I tried the Linux port of GRT, and it turned out that yes, they have one. But... it's not something maintained by the lead developer, and it appears (at least at the time) to be tied pretty closely to Mint (a specific Linux distro), and the GUI toolkit libraries associated with (one of) their desktop editions. If that sounds like gibberish, don't worry Getting it working on anything else (in terms of Linux) was more of a PITA than I was willing to put up with at the time.

Since then, I powerwashed the ChromeBook, and put it back to doing what it does best - being a Chromebook. Now running a Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 for a daily driver. The Windows version is pretty much point-n-click install, with zero issues installing.

Like I said, the database(s) for powder, bullets, etc. are not as complete as with QL. So of course, the powder I was wanting to play with - H1000 - isn't in there yet. Seems like the Euro components tend to have better coverage, as you might expect. It does appear to have some provision for creating your *own* powder profile/template, if you need to model something that isn't in the main release yet. That in and of itself is a huge step forward compared to QL, if it works as anticipated.