TheCZKid
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Recently I go it into my head "I need a 20 VarTarg!" Actually I'll blame that partly on a fellow member who suggested I did, and I then readily agreed! Of course I do!! So I'm in the hunt for the right used rifle, and have some prospects I'm looking at...
However, in the mean time, I already have started forming 20 VT brass from LC 5.56. I just had to do something!
I got the 90101 forming die, then using Redding bushing die without the guts for next stage, then last will use the Redding 20VT body die for last forming stage. I made a spiffy looking photo so illustrate what I'm talking about.

Right now, since I don't have the actual rifle or chamber neck diameter, I'm have formed about 800 pieces of brass to stage 2, using just the bushing die.

First question is about how far I can go in forming brass, before I have the chamber specs. I'd like to go forward to the last stage of forming the brass with the body die, trimming them to 1.395" to 1.40" in length, then run expander from the bushing die through the necks to make the inside diameter correct, and then stop. I can turn the necks after I find out if the neck chamber will be .232" or .234" ID.
My question: Would the brass be sized okay for most any 20VT chamber if I use form these with the Redding body die? I'm using a Forster Co-Ax press and the die is set so I'm just slightly camming the die over, seems it would form it fine for any chamber. I'd like to get these progressed as far as makes sense. I figuring the last thing I'd need to do is neck turn when I know how much, and I should be good to go. Am I risking making the shoulder length wrong if I do this?
Question two: For trimming the brass to length, I've got the Harbor Freight chop saw and 221FB jig, and have it set to cut about 1.415" and then I can do a final length trim from there. My normal trimmer I use for everything else is a Trim-It, and it does a good job. I can do a decent job with the 223 bearing / bushing, and can get a custom bushing for 20VT by sending off to be made... Was also thinking of Little Crow WFT, anyone used one?
Final question: For buying a rifle in 20 VT, I'm considering 3 right now, there's a very sharp CZ which has a new PacNor barrel and stock, and was made by a really good gunsmith.
Also a Cooper 21 which would need the barrel changed to 20 VT...
And last a Sako L46 early model with Riihimaki magazine, also built by a renowned gunsmith, but I'm worried that is not the best action for the 20 VT (L461 would be best).
Anyone have a CZ and how do you like it?
I like the Cooper, nice wood, just more expensive and Cooper no longer does 20 VT as of this week, so PacNor or whoever...
Chime in on the Sako L46 with magazine, should this be avoided?
However, in the mean time, I already have started forming 20 VT brass from LC 5.56. I just had to do something!
I got the 90101 forming die, then using Redding bushing die without the guts for next stage, then last will use the Redding 20VT body die for last forming stage. I made a spiffy looking photo so illustrate what I'm talking about.

Right now, since I don't have the actual rifle or chamber neck diameter, I'm have formed about 800 pieces of brass to stage 2, using just the bushing die.

First question is about how far I can go in forming brass, before I have the chamber specs. I'd like to go forward to the last stage of forming the brass with the body die, trimming them to 1.395" to 1.40" in length, then run expander from the bushing die through the necks to make the inside diameter correct, and then stop. I can turn the necks after I find out if the neck chamber will be .232" or .234" ID.
My question: Would the brass be sized okay for most any 20VT chamber if I use form these with the Redding body die? I'm using a Forster Co-Ax press and the die is set so I'm just slightly camming the die over, seems it would form it fine for any chamber. I'd like to get these progressed as far as makes sense. I figuring the last thing I'd need to do is neck turn when I know how much, and I should be good to go. Am I risking making the shoulder length wrong if I do this?
Question two: For trimming the brass to length, I've got the Harbor Freight chop saw and 221FB jig, and have it set to cut about 1.415" and then I can do a final length trim from there. My normal trimmer I use for everything else is a Trim-It, and it does a good job. I can do a decent job with the 223 bearing / bushing, and can get a custom bushing for 20VT by sending off to be made... Was also thinking of Little Crow WFT, anyone used one?
Final question: For buying a rifle in 20 VT, I'm considering 3 right now, there's a very sharp CZ which has a new PacNor barrel and stock, and was made by a really good gunsmith.
Also a Cooper 21 which would need the barrel changed to 20 VT...
And last a Sako L46 early model with Riihimaki magazine, also built by a renowned gunsmith, but I'm worried that is not the best action for the 20 VT (L461 would be best).
Anyone have a CZ and how do you like it?
I like the Cooper, nice wood, just more expensive and Cooper no longer does 20 VT as of this week, so PacNor or whoever...
Chime in on the Sako L46 with magazine, should this be avoided?
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