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Prone Vs Bench

Wolfdog91

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Which position does everyone shoot better groups with? Anyone think that one is just plain better then the other ? Many people tell me I need to get in a bench if I what to shoot as best as possible instead of prone ,but I personally never feel very comfortable or that I shoot well off of a bench.
What say y'all ?
 
With hunting rifles, I can shoot much better groups when prone. That goes for anything off a bipod.

With a flat bottomed BR rig, shot from a rest, it’s hard to beat a bench, but the F class guys shoot some really small groups too.
 
If you are shooting off of a bench with a full array of bench equipment such as is used by Competitors, then there is no argument. The Bench is the best way to achieve the best results.

But if you are just laying the rifle on a sandbag with not much in the way of a rear support, then it is probably a toss up.

I see shooters shooting off of a bypod on the bench and achieve good results.

If what ever shooting Discipline you are involved in requires a Bipod, then the best of both worlds might be using solid bench equipment to achieve your best tune, then practice on the Bipod with full confidence in your Rifle.
 
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I haven't shot off a bench since I quit the rifle club over 40 years ago and started long range shooting for 22 yrs before it was "the thing." Then got bored with that. I'm 72 and shoot everything from the prone, from 17 Remington to 50BMG. Shot 70 rds of 50BMG on my 70th birthday prone...in the snow or freezing rain...it builds character...eyesight is becoming the problem, not shooting prone.
 
As a seventy-three year old F-class TR shooter , I very seldom shoot from a bench . For me ; it's using the same position I compete with , and much more stable from prone . Besides ; You are not in the same head / Neck angle position when sitting at a bench , so you have to make adjustments in your physical set-up . If you compete in a prone position , practice the same way .
 
If you have decent front and rear sandbag rests, and a stable bench, then bench is the best way for load development and shooting groups.

We got to put this to the test. We had a dozen guys show up for our two day load development class last year. These were all hunting rifles. We had three instructors. We were all shooting at the same firing line at the same time.

One group shot prone off bipods. Another group shot off good front and rear sandbag rests from a mediocre bench. My group shot off good front and rear sandbag rests from a stable concrete bench and my shooting stool.

My guys shot the smallest groups both days. There were even a couple of guys who had problems with prone and the mediocre bench that shot with me on the second day and that shot much better.

The advantages of a proper bench setup is that it's very hard to pull a shot. It's not hard to pull a shot from prone off a bipod, and with a wiggly bench setup it's hard to be consistent.

Once load development is finished, then it's time to shoot from the positions you need for proficiency in the field and/or at the competition.
 
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My testing has proved I am better from prone. 4 months ago I found I was having back surgery. I decided to move up to bench shooting in hopes I would be out a shorter period of time. I did have to change my set up for bench shooting. I also felt I was steadier..... But my accuracy fell off slightly.

I am two months past surgery and I have less pain shooting prone than bench. I can see my heartbeat in the scope. But....I shoot better prone.
I am 70 years old and my back problem was not spine related. I had a web growing on my spinal cord that a brain surgeon removed. Two months into recovery I am happy to be shooting prone again!!
 
I've shot all manner of positions over the last 50 years. Even did some 3 position rimfire competition.

If I need to engage in load development, test equipment, or perform an initial site in of a scope, nothing beats a solid bench with high quality front and rear rests. It simply, at least for me, is the most stable position and mitigates a lot of shooter error.

However, I rarely shoot off a bench anymore and when I do, it's only for the aforementioned purposes. The reason is quite simply, a bench has no relevance to the manner in which I use my rifles, i.e., hunting deer / varmints / predators.

For a time, I used quite successfully, a bipod in the prone position for varmint hunting. It's quite effective when the terrain lends itself to shooting prone with the limited field a view.

However, many years ago, I switched to a cross stick shooting in the sitting position from a lightweight portable sportsman's chair. The reasons for the change were several, first, this gave me a much larger field of view increasing significantly my shot opportunities. Second, PA is a notorious area for ticks and Lyme Disease and laying prone in the field I often was infested with ticks. Third, as I aged, shooting in the prone became more and more problematic due to a spinal condition I had which worsened with age. Fourth, as soon as the hay grew to ankle height, while still huntable, using a bipod prone was near impossible.

It took a lot of practice and technique development, but I mastered the cross sticks and I love shooting this way. This system allows me to be highly mobile, engage a target quickly on a stalk, and shoot accurately (vital area of a varmint) out to about 300 yards which covers 95+% of my shot opportunities. In addition, I can hunt a field much longer since the chair positions me high enough to see a hog, even with some hay growth you can still get standing hog shots. However, the prone bipod, at least for me, is more stable and capable of extending my range but going to the sticks is a compromise that was well worth it for me.

I spend all my range time shooting off the sticks. I get a lot of weird looks and questions but that's ok, I'm used to it by now. At one range, I'm known as the guy who shoots off " a stick". ;) I'm infamous or famous - take your pick. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::):):)

With this said, if all you want to do is shoot small, tiny groups then I don't think you can beat a bench with a high-quality front and rear rest. I had friend (deceased) and that's all he wanted to do, and he was quite good at it. That was his game. My game is different.
 
I have never shot prone at all so I can't say whether I could shot more accurately from there or not. Always shot from a bench either with BR type rifles with good front rest and rear bag and/or hunting rifles from a bipod and same rear bag. Recently tried the F-class style bipod (M-pod) and really like it much better than the Harris style. I can't say my groups have improved but I don't feel that it hurt either. The biggest reason I like the M-pod better than the Harris style is the rifle fits down in the top of it where as the rifle sits on top of a Harris style. Rifle feels more stable to me.
 
Spent 2 days with a one-time top 10 prs shooter. My neighbor is an army sniper. Both shoot prone when zeroing. Good enough for me.
This makes perfect sense since they are performing their sight in for the position that they will be shooting in.

In other words, you should perform your final sight in using the position / shooting aid you will be using in the discipline you chose to participate in.
 
While I encourage every to do load development form a good bench setup, there is one group of shooters I would be okay with doing load development from prone, and that is the F-Classers. I suspect they just don't pull shots when shooting form their competition setup.
 
Which position does everyone shoot better groups with? Anyone think that one is just plain better then the other ? Many people tell me I need to get in a bench if I what to shoot as best as possible instead of prone ,but I personally never feel very comfortable or that I shoot well off of a bench.
What say y'all ?
If you have to hold the rifle in two hands while prone and on your elbows how in ell can you shoot a better group than off a front rest and rear sandbag? Just curious :)
 
If you have to hold the rifle in two hands while prone and on your elbows how in ell can you shoot a better group than off a front rest and rear sandbag? Just curious :)
It's doable, i pulled target at 1K for Brandon Green once when he was testing a rifle barrel, said that it would rise as it heated up... so when he started the first shot was at 4 o'clock and the subsequent shots were in a straight vertical line as the each shot came down it did in fact rise some, ten shot string was one inch wide and 8 inches high in a vertical line, that saying, if he hadn't had that issue, he very well could have shot a ten shot group in the size about 2 inches.. at 1000 yards. I myself have put 8 shots into a 2 inch group at 900 yards before. So yeah, it can be done, there are lots of guys that can do that! And they are way better than i am
 

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