Problem with Ruger 10/22 Sale

[Knotwild]

I’ve mentioned it many, many times - use an escrow service. For expensive items - use an escrow service. If you use an escrow service you are only safe 100% of the time. If I don’t use an escrow service it’s my fault if I buy a problem. If a seller won’t use an escrow service, he is probably hiding something. If the item is lost or stolen in transit and you used escrow - guess what?

 

[DLT]

Have you ever been cheated by another forum member? I recently purchased a 10-22 from another forum member. Shipping was lengthy but that was USPS problems not the seller. Package arrived well packed. I arrived at my local gun shop about 15 minutes after package was delivered. I loaned my pocket knife to my dealer to open the box. First thing I noticed was there were no magazines with rifle, it was advertised with four. With paperwork completed I carried the rifle straight home. When I sat down at my bench with the rifle I noticed the scope and base were loose and moving around. I removed the scope and found the front two screw holes in receiver were completely stripped out. I notified seller who had good feedback by the way, that I had not received the advertised magazines and the receiver was stripped. He said the magazines were an oversight and he would send them. He sent three not the advertised four. Then he told me that my local gun shop must have stripped the screw holes while they had it. I related the events as they happened. His response was and I qoute "not my problem " Been buying equipment on site for years with great results. Everyone I have purchased from on this site has been 100 percent honest until now! Guess there always has to be at least one A Hole even on the Best Shooting Site on the ole interweb! Vent complete!

Give name and bad feedback !!

 

[gat]

Curious how you resolved the issue with DangerRanger?

Sent refund VIA money order after shipper acknowledged error in delivery verification. No word if received and he is no longer on forum. If you have contact info please forward to me via DM.

 

[JEFFPPC]

It is not hard to figure out on your own who the other party is. It took me a minute.

At the end of the day, it is one mans word against another, so what is to be believed? Both have good feedback. None of us will ever know the truth, yet some are quick to condemn.

As usual jimymac you were right, took about one minute. Good information to know. There are always in a large group some who are not honorable, including in the shooting game.

 

[gat]

On a better note just purchased a model 12a Remington from forum member STAVEY. Rifle is better than pics, perfect shipping and this gentleman downloaded and printed historical info and an ancient owners manual and sent along with rifle! Going the extra mile!!!! Great Guy!

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Give name and bad feedback !!

You missed post #17.

 

[Tommie]

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/ruger-10-22-varmint-hb.4159310/

I wasn’t gonna go there. But also kinda glad someone did it.

 

[DLT]

You missed post #17.

Got it now thanks

 

[DLT]

I wasn’t gonna go there. But also kinda glad someone did it.

Should have been done

 

[Steve Donlon]

Hard to believe, to sell your reputation for $400.

 

[Leo_B]

I was team "on the fence" until I read the part about no magazines... oops... and then only 3 of the advertised 4 being sent.

 

[Syncrowave]

I was gonna give the seller the benefit of the doubt, that maybe he "forgot" that the scope mount screw holes were stripped or whatever, but if what the OP says is true -- that the scope was loose and flopping around in the breeze when it arrived -- then that should have "reminded" the seller when he packed it up for shipping.

On the other hand, if the gun got damaged because some UPS driver drove his truck over the package 15 times instead of the customary 14 ... then the seller should have filed a claim with the shipper to cover the damage. But that apparently didn't happen, either.

Sounds shady from where I sit, hearing one side of the story, especially considering the "no magazines included" detail ... and then getting 3 mags instead of the promised 4...and to top it all off and tie it up with a bow ... the "not my problem" defense ... if true ... would warrant a permaban, if not a surgical 10/22 "suppository" if I were king...

I'd love to hear "the other side of the story."

 

[DLT]

Hard to believe to sell your reputation for $400.

I would do a full return if I was in the wrong

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Hard to believe to sell your reputation for $400.

Yes Sir, and I will take advantage of my ignore button in case my memory is short.

 

[kelbro]

How well was it packed? Could the scope have been banged around in transit? Aluminum receivers are easy to strip. I always remove a scope and package it separately when selling a scoped rifle.

Not defending the seller, just a perspective from someone that has shipped and received literally thousands of items. Those carriers can be hell on packages.

No excuse on the mag shortage. He should at least offer some compensation for that.

 

[joshb]

How well was it packed? Could the scope have been banged around in transit? Aluminum receivers are easy to strip. I always remove a scope and package it separately when selling a scoped rifle.

Not defending the seller, just a perspective from someone that has shipped and received literally thousands of items. Those carriers can be hell on packages.

No excuse on the mag shortage. He should at least offer some compensation for that.

Yup. I would NEVER ship a gun with the scope mounted! The holes could have stripped during shipping? Can’t tell now!
I have received a gun with the scope mounted but it was a Savage Striker pistol and the seller TOLD ME he couldn’t loosen the screws to get it off. I accepted the risk and he shipped it. The ring screws were locked up, as he said, but I have tools and determination! It only took a careful half hour to get it off, undamaged.

 

[gat]

How well was it packed? Could the scope have been banged around in transit? Aluminum receivers are easy to strip. I always remove a scope and package it separately when selling a scoped rifle.

Not defending the seller, just a perspective from someone that has shipped and received literally thousands of items. Those carriers can be hell on packages.

No excuse on the mag shortage. He should at least offer some compensation for that.

Gun was perfectly packed as good as any I've seen. No external damage to box. Also add said 3 day inspection. My opinion is seller knew what he had and sold it cheap in order to get rid of the problem.

 

[davidjoe]

Those are aluminum receirvers. I have always worried about overtorquing myself.

I do have to ask, do you have have prior experience with 1022’s? The reason for the question is that almost all of us would automatically tighten screws on a used rifle we bought.

You mention that the base was loose and moving around. It would have been completely unusable when boxed up if loose to the touch and it’s really not going be be noticeably loose and moving around if any two threads are good, maybe even if just one is.

I don’t personally believe any one guy is insensitive enough to strip out multiple receiver screws one after the other, but I can see successive owners, none of who know what they are doing, getting a gun to that point.

 

[gat]

I ran a full service Gunshop for years. Built every style of rifle from Mauser 98s to the most modern customs. Hunting, bench, rimfire, F class, tactical, even built Business Rifles for Independant Operators. I have never said to any customer "not my problem". Tony Shankle owner of Strategic Edge Shooting facility in Chapel Hill Tennessee told a class full of new comers that my shop was the only shop where he had ever heard the gunsmith say " If it shoots great tell everybody if it doesn't tell me" Your problem was OUR problem. Still feel that way about work we did.

 

[gat]

Those are aluminum receirvers. I have always worried about overtorquing myself.

I do have to ask, do you have have prior experience with 1022’s? The reason for the question is that almost all of us would automatically tighten screws on a used rifle we bought.

You mention that the base was loose and moving around, but stripped out is more like a “lift it off the rifle” condition if all the threads are stripped. It would have been completely unusable when boxed up if loose to the touch and it’s really not going be be noticeably loose and moving around if any two threads are good, maybe even if just one is.

The base might have even fallen off in shipment. If it had been usable when shipped, there would be no reason to loosen up the screws when boxing it up.

I don’t personally believe any one guy is insensitive enough to strip out all receiver screws one after the other, but I can see multiple owners, none of who know what they are doing, getting a gun to that point.

It had a Leupold style base which is a 3 screw 2 front one rear. The rear was tighter than the gates of Hell with some form of thread sealer. The fronts had some goop on them that prevented them from falling out of base. The seller messaged me that he had removed the scope and all was tight prior to shipping and then reversed what he said by saying he never removed scope. Not looking for reimbursement. Just saying.