I dug around a little for the smokeless powder limits you speak of and came up empty. Can you help out?
Primer prices - having a laugh?
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I dug around a little for the smokeless powder limits you speak of and came up empty. Can you help out?
My loyalty ended when he stopped using lube.
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I’m going to have to edit what I said above obviously I have not looked in a while it is over 300,000 miles now I will send a pic in just a minute or two
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This sport takes a financial toll on people especially when they try to get started, or just staying even with guns, scopes, tools, scale up grades ,components etc. one two or even three years ahead of supplies. holy crap it never ends and I’m happy for y’all that brag about being set for many years but when it comes to the I told ya so talk-maybe just give it a freaking rest.
Have a nice day
I think everyone feels what you’re saying, some just don’t ever mention it. Once your primary gear is acquired, you can relax some.
This is just one guy’s opinion, but take a really pragmatic, results driven approach to load work up and reloading.
Your reference to the expensive scale prompted my reply. There are things like that, many of them, that I’m not convinced change group size, just like very elaborate and costly presses, elaborate neck and brass prep, etc.
We do not see videos of good shooters putting to the test, assumptions that may really give us pause in where to spend money. We do not see blind tests at distance in black and white of powder charges that were slightly varied intentionally, versus .01 or .02 consistency, neck turning, annealing, seating pressure, shooting the extremes of weight and length in the box, double blind, and so forth, for pretty obvious reasons - bad feelings. But this doesn’t mean avoid them, privately.
It’s not that these steps, all involving expensive equipment wreck accuracy, because they don’t, but I’d say before an upgrade investment, toy with the status quo equipment to see if it’s even a real weakness before writing checks.
delucy
Gold $$ Contributor
NFPA 495 governs explosives for personal and business use
14.3.7.1 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 9.1 kg (20 lb) shall be permitted to be stored in original containers in residences.
14.3.7.2 Quantities exceeding 9.1 kg (20 lb), but not exceeding 22.7 kg (50 lb), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 25.4 mm (1 in.) nominal thickness or other container having a fire resistance of 1 hour .
14.5.6 For small arms primers classified by the U.S. DOT as 1.4S, the limit stored in residences shall be permitted to be increased to 150,000.
Dale
SW MI
14.3.7.1 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 9.1 kg (20 lb) shall be permitted to be stored in original containers in residences.
14.3.7.2 Quantities exceeding 9.1 kg (20 lb), but not exceeding 22.7 kg (50 lb), shall be permitted to be stored in residences where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least 25.4 mm (1 in.) nominal thickness or other container having a fire resistance of 1 hour .
14.5.6 For small arms primers classified by the U.S. DOT as 1.4S, the limit stored in residences shall be permitted to be increased to 150,000.
Dale
SW MI
Other than setting forth guidelines that could potentially lead to an insurance claim denial; what legal authority does this association have? None that I can see. If they did it would be administration instead of association and .gov instead of .org. What am I missing?
delucy
Gold $$ Contributor
It is true that the National Fire Protection Association has no enforcement capability of their own, they simply make, for lack of a better word, recommendations that various agencies and municipalities adopt (or not). DOT, OSHA, NRC, etc., all have adopted various portions of the many guidelines that the NFPA has written over the years.
I am sure that someone on this forum has a story about a guy that was denied a homeowners claim due to having too much powder, or having it incorrectly stored. I could not find any requirement for Michigan home owners, nor in my personal HO policy. Your mileage may vary.
Dale
I am sure that someone on this forum has a story about a guy that was denied a homeowners claim due to having too much powder, or having it incorrectly stored. I could not find any requirement for Michigan home owners, nor in my personal HO policy. Your mileage may vary.
Dale
bobm
Silver $$ Contributor
14.3.7.1......I am well out of compliance.
14.3.7.2......I am way out of compliance.
14.5.6.........I wish I was way out of compliance.
dellet
Gold $$ Contributor
Just thinking outside the box a bit here and looking at numbers. Wanting to help others save some cost on shooting to be able to buy more primers.
If primers have gone up 10 cents a shot and you shoot 10,000 rounds a year that’s a cost increase of $1000 per year.
If you backed off to the next lowest accuracy node what would be your savings? How much of that $1000 could we get back in these troubled times?
A 35 grain load at $35 a pound for powder is 200 rounds at a cost of 17.5 cents a shot. If you back off .5 grains, you save about .003 cents a shot or about $30 per 10000. Down to $970 per 10,000 rounds.
But wait, we’ve only just begun to count the savings.
By backing off the powder charge you might get as many as 3 more firing per case. If you pay $1 per case and get 10 firings that’s 1000 pieces of brass for $1000. If you can average only 2 more shots per case you only need 800, that’s a savings of $200 per 10,000 shots. Now we’re are at $770 per 10,000 shots.
What about barrel life?
Can you get another 100 shots out of that $500 barrel?
Based on 3000/3100 shots per barrel you save another $50. Down to $720 per 10,000 shots. We’ve saved enough to buy another 2000 primers.
If you shoot 200 rounds per match, that’s 50 matches per 10,000 rounds. Your overall cost has gone up about $14 per match, instead of $20.
Sadly, there is a hidden cost to dropping an accuracy node, so most people won’t do it. It might effect your score. For argument let’s say your score drops enough that you fall five places on the score board.
On average how much less prize money will you take home per match?
Not saying it doesn’t suck to pay more to play, or feel like a vendor is ripping you off, or taking advantage of a situation, but it’s just a game for most of us.
Current conditions are temporary and if the overall cost of going to matches in these times is keeping you home, the cost of a primer is not likely to be enough to change that for most shooters.
It is fun to bitch about it, so that should some how also figure in to the total entertainment cost package, since it’s free to bitch and whine.
If primers have gone up 10 cents a shot and you shoot 10,000 rounds a year that’s a cost increase of $1000 per year.
If you backed off to the next lowest accuracy node what would be your savings? How much of that $1000 could we get back in these troubled times?
A 35 grain load at $35 a pound for powder is 200 rounds at a cost of 17.5 cents a shot. If you back off .5 grains, you save about .003 cents a shot or about $30 per 10000. Down to $970 per 10,000 rounds.
But wait, we’ve only just begun to count the savings.
By backing off the powder charge you might get as many as 3 more firing per case. If you pay $1 per case and get 10 firings that’s 1000 pieces of brass for $1000. If you can average only 2 more shots per case you only need 800, that’s a savings of $200 per 10,000 shots. Now we’re are at $770 per 10,000 shots.
What about barrel life?
Can you get another 100 shots out of that $500 barrel?
Based on 3000/3100 shots per barrel you save another $50. Down to $720 per 10,000 shots. We’ve saved enough to buy another 2000 primers.
If you shoot 200 rounds per match, that’s 50 matches per 10,000 rounds. Your overall cost has gone up about $14 per match, instead of $20.
Sadly, there is a hidden cost to dropping an accuracy node, so most people won’t do it. It might effect your score. For argument let’s say your score drops enough that you fall five places on the score board.
On average how much less prize money will you take home per match?
Not saying it doesn’t suck to pay more to play, or feel like a vendor is ripping you off, or taking advantage of a situation, but it’s just a game for most of us.
Current conditions are temporary and if the overall cost of going to matches in these times is keeping you home, the cost of a primer is not likely to be enough to change that for most shooters.
It is fun to bitch about it, so that should some how also figure in to the total entertainment cost package, since it’s free to bitch and whine.
Medic505
Gold $$ Contributor
Looks like a Lean Six Sigma project.Just thinking outside the box a bit here and looking at numbers. Wanting to help others save some cost on shooting to be able to buy more primers.
If primers have gone up 10 cents a shot and you shoot 10,000 rounds a year that’s a cost increase of $1000 per year.
If you backed off to the next lowest accuracy node what would be your savings? How much of that $1000 could we get back in these troubled times?
A 35 grain load at $35 a pound for powder is 200 rounds at a cost of 17.5 cents a shot. If you back off .5 grains, you save about .003 cents a shot or about $30 per 10000. Down to $970 per 10,000 rounds.
But wait, we’ve only just begun to count the savings.
By backing off the powder charge you might get as many as 3 more firing per case. If you pay $1 per case and get 10 firings that’s 1000 pieces of brass for $1000. If you can average only 2 more shots per case you only need 800, that’s a savings of $200 per 10,000 shots. Now we’re are at $770 per 10,000 shots.
What about barrel life?
Can you get another 100 shots out of that $500 barrel?
Based on 3000/3100 shots per barrel you save another $50. Down to $720 per 10,000 shots. We’ve saved enough to buy another 2000 primers.
If you shoot 200 rounds per match, that’s 50 matches per 10,000 rounds. Your overall cost has gone up about $14 per match, instead of $20.
Sadly, there is a hidden cost to dropping an accuracy node, so most people won’t do it. It might effect your score. For argument let’s say your score drops enough that you fall five places on the score board.
On average how much less prize money will you take home per match?
Not saying it doesn’t suck to pay more to play, or feel like a vendor is ripping you off, or taking advantage of a situation, but it’s just a game for most of us.
Current conditions are temporary and if the overall cost of going to matches in these times is keeping you home, the cost of a primer is not likely to be enough to change that for most shooters.
It is fun to bitch about it, so that should some how also figure in to the total entertainment cost package, since it’s free to bitch and whine.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Oh the flashbacks you just gave me back when i had a ceo named jack.
Must’ve been specific. Which insurance company? I was an adjuster for 26 years and handled 1000’s and 1000’s of claims for several different companies. Don’t recall any exclusions for too much powder in yer house…
When trump was in I stocked up on powder and primers knowing knowing this was going to happen. I shoot more often than most and I still have about a 15 year supply. Every time something like this happens the price "adjusts" up 20 to 30% after it calms down because the manufacturers figure out people will pay for it. It's just human nature.
Sucks for you competitive guys, but as a hunter, $100 for primers is chump change. Think I scouted antelope 5 times at $75 a shot for gas. Hunted antelope 3 times for the same amount. Went elk hunting 5 or 6 times, and shot 3 deer in 5 or 6 trips. Won’t try to guess on the 40 or so times I’ve hunted waterfowl and turkeys this past season. Primers compared to fuel is dirt cheap.
rickiesrevenge
Silver $$ Contributor
Picked up some more primers at a local shop here in AK. $56/1000. No way they have a big contract for that kinda stuff. Pretty much a grocery store with a small outdoor section which includes guns and ammo.
CJ6
Silver $$ Contributor
Yes, it seems the smaller Mom an Pop shops are starting to under-cut the BIG BOYS. A shop not far from here had single #'s for $32-$37 and a fairly good selection, Fed GMM 215's -$85.00 per K. He said he was happy with his margins on these......... He also said his local customers aren't "Grabbing" any more than what would be normal for them. KUDO's for the locals and a small shop.
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