Preliminary LabRadar Testing

[Jay Christopherson]

Hey Bill,

I Pre ordered it about 3 months ago from buymylabradar.com The guy told me that the site was up for special clients for reviews or something like that and said he could either reimbourse me or I could stay in line until it was my turn. I have serial#84 so not many are out yet.

I spy an orange-colored unicorn.

 

[savageshooter86]

Any further testing on these units from you that have them?

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Hey, a new update from Labradar with... <insert shocked gasp here>... another delay! Last time it was September, but looks like October is the new date that they plan to miss:

TCK, LLC the exclusive distributors for LabRadar has recently received the first shipment. These units have all been sold to shooters, forensic centers, law enforcement agencies and writers throughout the U.S. and Canada. Infinition, Inc., the manufacturer of LabRadar anticipates another shipment to TCK in early October. These units will be sold on a first come, first serve basis to individuals and all authorized dealers in the U.S and Canada.

Here, I fixed it for them:

...These units will be sold on a first come, never serve basis to individuals and all authorized dealers in the U.S and Canada.

 

[lawrence97]

Labradar = Hoax

 

[Bob L.]

What a joke! Can you imagine trying to get any customer service if you ever got one?

 

[jlow]

I don't think people are going to like what I am going to say, but I think they are doing the right thing.

It might not be a popular decision, but in the end, it is the right decision. Anybody who comes out with a new device like this would be making a very bad business decision to make a huge batch of it. Regardless of the testing they do, there is going to be problems. This is precisely what the first adopters are meant to do i.e. figure out the problems and frankly why I did not buy one. The idea is to learn from this limited batch before going full production. Going full production right off the block would be a very bad business decision for them and also for us. In the end, we really don’t want it if it does not work correctly.

 

[Bob L.]

It is a very bad business decision to repeatedly promise delivery dates and then fail to meet them. If the plan all along was to use the first customers as guinea pigs, they should have told everyone that this was the what was going to happen. Anything else destroys the company's credibility and is unethical.

 

[jlow]

Let me quote a fact of life to you - Not trying to be rude, but the first customers are ALWAYS guinea pigs. If the first customers don’t know this, they have not been living long enough. If you use a computer and an operating system, that is exactly the same SOP. Now we are talking about big companies like Microsoft and Apple. Some people knows this but do it anyway, they are not necessarily stupid but it does take a specific type of person to do this. Nobody likes this but that is pretty much real life. An operating system and in a lesser way, a radar chronograph is basically breaking ground and if they don’t release the product until it is 100% perfect, they will NEVER release it, that too is a fact of life. I learned this first hand when I was working and writing a regulatory document and it was 500 pages long, I keep going over it to get all the typos and eventually realize what I said above…

I agree that they are not making their promise deadline, but have you ever developed and manufacture something as complex as this? Delays are a fact of life, some of it is your fault, some of it is completely out of your control i.e. whoever is making it for you. In the end, if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. For me, what is much more important than getting the unit is getting a properly functioning unit. I rather never get one than getting the first one and spending a lot of time fixing/troubleshooting the thing instead of shooting…

 

[geneo1]

Looks like they are being released for sale now.

Bye the way the Lab Radar works better than any other unit that I've owned(three different manufactures).
If the unit I received is a proto type it is a dam good one, much better than other units that were said to be bug free.

TCK, LLC the exclusive distributors for LabRadar has recently received the first shipment. These units have all been sold to shooters, forensic centers, law enforcement agencies and writers throughout the U.S. and Canada. Infinition, Inc., the manufacturer of LabRadar anticipates another shipment to TCK in early October. These units will be sold on a first come, first serve basis to individuals and all authorized dealers in the U.S and Canada. You can now complete your pre-order on our website www.buymylabradar.com. Credit cards will not be charged until the units are ready to ship. PayPal payments are charged immediately.
Orders from other countries will not be accepted at this time, but sales to other countries will follow soon.
Infinition, Inc. will be updating their website www.mylabradar.com soon.
All questions should be directed to info@mylabradar.com or 316-866-2525 (8-5, M-F, CST)

 

[savageshooter86]

Pre orders.

 

[Bob L.]

The point regarding the first customers being guinea pigs is well taken. I should have thought more before including that In my post, especially in light of the fact that I am more than willing to be one of the first customers to help identify and iron out any issues. I have had one of these units on pre-order since February and would relish the opportunity to wring one out myself.

I have been involved in the construction of and modifications to nuclear and fossil fuel power plants for 30 years so I am very used to delays and problems of all sorts. The one thing that would cost a project manager or project engineer the most in terms of credibility and reputation was being too optimistic about the schedule impact of those issues. It was far better to realistically provide a new completion date (with a contingency included) in the first place than to come back to management several times with additional schedule slippage. Take your lumps once up front and move on. This also gave management much less uncertainty for budgeting and planning.

Writing a 500 page regulatory document would be nightmare to me. I applaud you for taking it on as there is no way to define or reach perfection in that endeavor.

 

[jlow]

No sweat Bob L. I actually also agree with you about projected timeline as I too have worked as a project manager. Still, most of us work in areas that we are familiar with and so timeline projections are a little easier, but well always still best to not be too optimistic as it can bite you in the butt. ;D

 

[Jay Christopherson]

All they had to do was say the first-run was limited and would be first come, first serve. Then tell us when those units were spoken for and say we'll let you know when the production run is ready to go. Instead, they've been basically courting customers for months (years!) as if it would be generally available from the get-go.

 

[jlow]

Yes, some obvious mistakes were made, but sounds like the flood gates will be opening soon! ;D

Part of it is we are all thinking like engineers, but we all know management and marketing will always be involved.... and then it gest complicated....

 

[hogpatrol]

I don't have a dog in this hunt but it's better to promise small, deliver big, not the other way around. These guys need to retake Business 101. From what I've seen so far, I will NOT be a customer & I'll stick with my alleged tuning chrono, thank you .

 

[jeffdlol]

Hey guys,

Its worth the wait. Sure I'm one of the lucky/unlucky guinea pigs that got one of the early units, but they have been making radars for what 20+ years? Calculated risk that so far payed off. The only way I had mine to fail was pointing the radar way off target.

As for comparing I never had the chance since my crony died a while ago. But using it with Kestrel AB puts everyone on target that I tryed it with. The problem I had earlier with my 77gr was corrected by using Lapua advertized BC for the 77gr

The only thing I think is a negative with the product is the short range of the radar. I just wished you could reverse-engineer BC with it.

Some people on the net say it long to set up, how long is it to unzip a bag and clip the unit into the mount?

The big advantage is whenever you shoot wherever you are you can chrono all the time wich is the main reason I bought. No fucking around with harmonics and no hastle to set up and pack.

The big disadvantage is the price, its quite the investement and with only 1 year warranty from date of purchase, time will tell if it was worth it in the long run.

Jeff

 

[jlow]

Yea, people who complains about how long it takes to setup has obviously never setup an Ohler 35p ;D

 

[micmac]

If this thing takes any longer to the market we might get the Chinamans radar first LOL

This one probably only works with larger bores.

But i am kinda wating for them.

 

[jlow]

You will probably get complains about being able to detect .22 for sure... ;D

On the bright side, it will probably give you long distance speed data for BC calculations if you are shooting 155s (mm that is)! ;D

 

[savageshooter86]

Imagine that. Another delay. Just received email about it being pushed back to October. But I was one of the first pre orderd so mine will be in October. Others will be in around December