Powder Throwers

[AWS]

I have a bunch of them, three Lyman 55's (2 orange 1 grey) set up on the bench with a piece of tape with the load on it, one at one press two at the other press. Also, a Redding and Hornady at one press and a Saeco at the other. The Lymans get ball powders and Benchmark and rarely do I have to mess with them. The big powder measures get stick powders and a trickler.

Other than the Lymans all the rest have micro adjustments. I hate the sliding sleave adjustments..

 

[wildcat3d]

Stephen,


You asked about powder throwers I gave you results of my testing on the ones i have had in hand. If you are foolish to believe that a +/-.1 is good enough then it be so on your belief. You guys asked me how do i know .1 makes a difference i told you of the 1000 or more targets I have shot and proved it on paper and across a chronograph. I also statd that a powder dispenser as powder levels drop the weighed charge varies by .6 and more but you tend to refuse to believe that either.
The reason the 123 is popular is because it's a cheaper alternative to weighing charges and cases over a chargemaster and the expensive powder throwers that again are not consistent.
Then you state I have to use a controled enviroment to weigh my cases yes this is so but I also use a scale that weighs .01 of a grn. But my shooting is done in real world conditions same as you. I offered to drop enough charges at my next match to shot 2 targets and then precisely weigh enough to shoot 2 targets to proove to you and others weighed charges do make a difference. You decided not to acknowledge that as well. If you feel your thrower and your techique can deliver .1 grn accuracy I'll put up $10,000.00 to say I'll bring a lab grade scale and prove to you you can not throw an entire bottle and hold .1 grn. I weigh my charges to +/- .01 grn thats 10x more consistent than you will drop one I gurantee that. One other thing how many 1st place winnings have you gotten in these so called big name matches and how many records have you produced using your technique?
In 1000/600 yd competitions I'll gurantee you that every record shot has been with weighed charges even in F class and high power these guys weigh there charges as well. If it didn't mean anything then the board and forums would not have so many postings of this.
You started the thread yes and wanted info on powder throwers and this is what you got how inconsistent they are compared to weighing. I test in real world conditions and compete in them to and if you feel still your techinque is better than mine well I invite you to come out to Oak Ridge Tn on Nov 18th for a registered IBS 600 yd match and beat me in a match. If you beat me I'll pay your way to and from and even pay your entry fee.

Back yrs ago I got ridiculed laughed at and called everything but a liar on an open forum on groups i use to post for information purposes and would post these over on GGVG and guys thought they should be over on BR central so they hot link my posts on there forum to make fun and joke about achievments I did and called me out and prove myself. Well in 2001 I headed down to TX to shoot a good ole guy rifle match on Tac Pro's range and took 1st place home with me. I then went to other shoots of the likings and again won 1st place. I shot a few 1000 yd shoots but decided the distance for the amount of shots was not worth my time and then began shooting 600 yd competition and in my 1st yr I shot 3 world records and have placed in top 3 enough times that I no longer care to bring home a plaque as I have them stacked in boxes all over collecting dust. I made believers out of those that made fun of me and who knows you may just had been one of them. I shoot a 22 caliber rifle on a factory action and to most they think it's a handicap but those that think so I prove to them it's not a place ahead of them in alot of matches. I got called out and came out and proved myself now I'm going to call you out and prove to me your theory is better than mine. I'm sure you been in this game way longer than I but sometimes technology is a good thing and I'll take my 1200.00 scales and my 700.00 spinner and my 4000.00 ogive machine and countless hrs in testing and developing and offering my findings to thos who don't have access to such equipment to help them in the long run and try and save them headaches in the process as well.
Do you ever wonder what caused that flyer when you know the conditions were right when you squeezed the trigger? See for me I eliminate all that doubt and leave it up to me and hope for the same conditions for 15 secs as when I sit down the line I'm 100% confident in the ammo I pull out knowing it's as good as it can get all the way down to weighed primers.

Now I pulled all my other posts and will pull this one in 30 mins or so after I'm sure you read it and accept or decline my offers.

Missed one... By a looong shot!

 

[Perraba]

Does anyone have first hand experience with a Neil Jones thrower? I generally read good things about them but new are $500.

 

[WSnyder]

Does anyone have first hand experience with a Neil Jones thrower? I generally read good things about them but new are $500.

I have one (bought it in the late 80's or early 90's???). It is a very nice high quality piece of equipment. Haven't used it in years though. I don't load at the range anymore where I might want to use it and long ago I switched to electronic dispensers for at home.

 

[Dean Slater]

Does anyone have first hand experience with a Neil Jones thrower? I generally read good things about them but new are $500.

Very Good Thrower. I had 2 of them. If you load at the range definitely worth a try. Can find them on here from time to time used for around $350. If you don't load at the range I would look at an electronic dispenser. Neil lives about 35 minutes away from me. I usually visit him a couple times a year. He is 85 now so if you want a new one I would get it soon.

 

[Ron Blain]

This thread will deal with powder throwers used for BR and recreational loading. I am not interested in talking about the RCBS Chargemaster, 123, or ABC electronic dispenser they are not powder throwers. There is a big difference.

Well alrighty and as a side note in 1965 I was also 15.

Powder throwers I have a few RCBS Uniflows and a few Lee flavors. Overall I prefer the RCBS simply because I like more metal verse plastic. I also usea baffle in my powder throws. If I want better than +/- 0.1 grain I use something else. I can throw a charge light and trickle up on my beam. So in keeping with powder throws only that's about it.

Ron

 

[cmysix]

I'm one of the little guys, just bought the LEE thrower, BECAUSE ALOT of you said it worked well enuff with most powders for the $, now it will most likely take me a couple of weeks to hone my skills to the point of being an equal or exceeding all you world class shooters, and in the interim I'm hoping that this thrower in trio with a dandy Trickler and a dillion precision scale will speed things along till I'm down to 1/100 of a grain, in a couple of weeks look out.

 

[dusterdave173]

I had no trouble throwing light then trickle up and weigh each charge on my target rounds with my Redding BR30--but when I went to load a thousand for prairie dogs I went with a straight throw--the main reason is after reading Glen Zediker book--he said throw 10 charges in the pan then weigh that--when checking a thrower--adjust from there always using 10 throws at a time--well.....after doing that my old BR30 started looking pretty darn good with N133--I loaded about 500 the other day--trips to the range confirm excellent results
I was afraid those loads would not stack up with my more careful methods--but so far so wonderful
I would say try that before giving up on straight throwing--I think the operator is the biggest factor
how you do it --knock or not etc and when I find it cutting a grain I simply toss that load and a couple after and just keep on rolling
I did install the tall hopper and try to keep powder level pretty full as I go
Glen really spends time on the subject in his excellent book
I found the overall error on 10 was much less than I would have thought and when spread out over 10 real charges seems to be Ok for my ability behind the trigger

 

[pintopete]

An FYI…Stephen Perry passed away in 2021.