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Possible to Better This?

Went to the range today to test out some new reloads for my Savage Axis 22-250 and am very pleased with the results. The best group has me puzzled because it is 5 shots but it only showing 3 holes. I keep looking at it and trying to convince myself that there are 5 shots in this group. Take a look at it and tell me what you think. BTW, I was shooting Nosler 55gr Balistic Tip over 37.0gr of H380 with a COAL of 2.350" at 100yrds. Group size is .583". If there is 5 shots in there I don't know if I want to even try to better it or not. Average velocity was 3438fps.



Here's a shot of all the loads I tested and you can see there were no obvious way out flyers.

 
It looks to me like the middle has 2 shots and the bottom has 2 shots. I am assuming the first target showing is the same as the second target showing that has that group as the right hand top group. Correct?
 
middle shot is two bullets and the lower group is just of the right of the lowest impact
 
It looks to me like the middle has 2 shots and the bottom has 2 shots. I am assuming the first target showing is the same as the second target showing that has that group as the right hand top group. Correct?
Yes, the second pic is just showing all the tested groups. Discount that one with only 3 shots in the middle, I had some rifle problems with that one :)
 
i was referring to your first picture with the close of the group
 
It's definitely got potential. Have you got any IMR4064? If so, work up to about 36.0 grains with it and the bullet between just touching and .010 off.
I do have plenty of 4064. I can work some up but I'll have to do some chamber measuring first. I've had this gun for almost two years and just started playing with it.
 
Good shooting. In my experience, the better the target, the better the group. As Mel Gibson told his sons in "The Patriot", "Aim small, Miss small." Try a small circular bull and I think your stringing will start to go away. Also, in my experience with the .22-250, 37.0 of H380 is in the lower node. A buddy and I got another accuracy node a little north of 38.0....

Again, great shooting!!
 
The best benchrest rifle and ammo will shoot 99% id its groups between something less than about .010 MOA/inch to .500 inch/MOA at 100 yards over 600 5-shot groups at 100 yards. 1% will be close to records or a few groups average close to aggregate records; one or two of each may shoot them. That's evidenced by tracking their results from matches.

Bullet making companies see the same spread across dozens (hundreds?) of 5- or 10-shot groups testing their stuff for quality..

Your groups are 100% normal for what you rifle does as you shoot your ammo. Shoot a couple hundred more then measure them. You'll see the extremes in both directions your stuff shoots as you shoot it.

We're all in the same boat but different sea conditions due to our stuff and own abilities.

Realities aside, your groups equal to the cream of most crops; kudos to you.
 
I agree Bart B.
Good shooting. In my experience, the better the target, the better the group. As Mel Gibson told his sons in "The Patriot", "Aim small, Miss small." Try a small circular bull and I think your stringing will start to go away. Also, in my experience with the .22-250, 37.0 of H380 is in the lower node. A buddy and I got another accuracy node a little north of 38.0....

Again, great shooting!!
I agree and I do use smaller bulls normally, this was just my first outing with this rifle and reloads, I wasn't expecting to get this good of a result from the first time out. From what the load data books said was that 37.5gr was max so that's why I went with 37.0gr.
 
The best benchrest rifle and ammo will shoot 99% id its groups between something less than about .010 MOA/inch to .500 inch/MOA at 100 yards over 600 5-shot groups at 100 yards. 1% will be close to records or a few groups average close to aggregate records; one or two of each may shoot them. That's evidenced by tracking their results from matches.

Bullet making companies see the same spread across dozens (hundreds?) of 5- or 10-shot groups testing their stuff for quality..

Your groups are 100% normal for what you rifle does as you shoot your ammo. Shoot a couple hundred more then measure them. You'll see the extremes in both directions your stuff shoots as you shoot it.

We're all in the same boat but different sea conditions due to our stuff and own abilities.

Realities aside, your groups equal to the cream of most crops; kudos to you.
Thanks, I think I can say that the Rifle Basix trigger I had installed and adjusted for .5lb pull helped a lot, especially with the factory trigger that came with it. I was taught at a young age of 4 on nothing but hair triggers back in the day(1950's) and anything more than 1lb pulls are just too much for me. :D

I will be shooting more now that I'm close to a go-to load, or at least I think I am.
 
Most of the credit probably should go to you for holding the rifle very repeatable from shot to shot. Making very accurate ammo's not hard to do.

I've watched people shoot a 1/4 MOA average match rifle and its ammo into 2 MOA groups.

Lots of "rubber rulers" out there measuring stuff that's all the same size; or close to it.
 
From what the load data books said was that 37.5gr was max so that's why I went with 37.0gr.

I will never disagree with the books. The load worked for them, on that day, for the gun/fixture that they tested, with what reloading components they had. I have no grounds to disagree. I totally agree with how you started.

I have several shelves full of load books and there are several different volumes from Nosler and Hodgdon. The H380 powder was named by Hodgdon's son when he was developing a load for his .22-250 with a new powder. H380 = 38.0 grains which is what he used. Over the years there have been many different guns and shooting fixtures used to develop loads. Back in the day, normal bullet weights were 50, 52, 53, and 55 grains for the .22-250. Lots of folks went with the light, oversized .224, Hornet bullets that weighed in at 40 and 45 grains. These, at the time, were the norms for which the load data was based on. Now days you can get bullets from 30gr to 90gr in .224". The rifles in .22-250 also come with different twist rate, and different barrel length, depending on who you buy it from. More likely than not, many recent gun makers are considering the "no lead" laws in CA and are lengthening the throats to allow for the longer lead free bullets. Longer throats, and different brands of brass, may also allow greater case volume for more powder, or less constriction so the pressure curve builds slower. This greater variation in guns creates a broader spectrum of load data needed to fill the niche. Not all developers will have data for every combination of bullet weight, twist rate, brand of brass, etc.

Every load book I have read have stated to start low, and work your way up with powder. They include a chapter on pressure signs and what signs indicate you are loading too hot for your gun. In my experience, the loads are usually too hot before you actually reach some of these indicators. So, flattened or cratered primers, hard bolt opening, or tough case extraction means you have likely already exceeded safe pressures for your gun. If you have done some homework, found data for a firearm that closely matches what you are shooting, you can start low and slowly work up to greater amounts of powder to find that sweet spot your gun likes. You may have found your gun's sweet spot with your very first load. Wouldn't that be awesome. Or...according to your data, you have room to work up a little more, to see if that sweet spot gets even sweeter. Sometimes the search is more enjoyable than the final results.

Have fun and enjoy the new gun. It is a shooter.
 
I know what you are talking about, I only have about 6 books and it's amazing sometimes when looking up a load that one books data maximum load is anothers minimum load, I scratch my head sometimes. o_O
 

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