Posing as a gunsmith?

[Raythemanroe]

Actually Ed, I would like to hear a little more of your techniques. All I ever hear is criticism and sniveling remarks. Enlighten us that aren't worthy.



Ray

 

[Joe Salt]

Ray! Eddie is always picking on someone he doesn't know. He even accused me of using an alias. And told me to us a spell check. At my age who cares . All I know is my gunsmith is the best! And one of my best friends. So it doesn't matter how good your Smith is you have to make the rifle work. And I'm going to try and make him look good.

Joe Saltalamachia How that Eddie? :-*

 

[Eddie Harren]

You and Ray need to use the PM function. The moderators have enough to do. You need to talk to me, PM me.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Your right Ed, I'll give some examples of what I meant:

I feel this is an example of how some leave excessive material to chamber and thread, therefore allowing for some spring in the part. I would think only exposing enough to chamber would give more accurate work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba3_3qseCB4

Not a fan of steady rest chambering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adsz-OBZUeE

Photo is what I would view as correct:



I'm okay with you pointing out my thoughts as incorrect, I like to learn..


Ray

 

[Raythemanroe]

Joe, I feel argument spurs results. I actually want to know how he does his work. I believe in more then one way to skin a cat.

Sorry for my blurt guys!


Ray

 

[Joe Salt]

Eddie haven't got time for PM! Didn't like what you said last time. Maybe you can come to Williamsport and show us how its done. You may have some secrets that we all can use. I love secrets don't you Ray?

Joe Salt

 

[Erik Cortina]

Like this Ray? ;D

And before I get jumped for chambering on a 3 jaw, it's a Buck set-tru chuck.

 

[butchlambert]

I won't pose as a gunsmith, but I like that Erik only has the minimum hanging out of his chosen chuck setup.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Erik, that is a better example. Thanks.. I know what setup your using, I have been paying attention..


Ray

 

[Rustystud]

Having read this post for several days now. Here are some recommendations:

Government Sources
(a) Check and see if the person has an FFL with the BATF.
(b) Check and see if the business is a sole proprietorship, a LLC, or a C corporation with the Secretary of States office (who Owns or Manages, Articles of Inc., Annual Reports/Public Records)
(c) Check and see if they have City, County, state Business License or Permit.
(d) Check with the States Attorney General's Office (Consumer Protection Division (for Complaints/Public Records)
(e) Check with the Clerk of Court for Complaints, Notices, Judgments, Levies, etc., (Civil Division/Public Records)

Private Sources
Local Better Business Bureau

Ask the Right questions:

(a) What is their FFL number? (Verify it with BATF EZ Check web site)
(b) Do they carry Personal or Corporate liability Insurance? ( ask for carrier and policy number)
(c) Do they have a formal education, Engineering, Gunsmith diploma/degree, Machining, Welding, Industrial Studies etc. (can be verified by a phone call in most cases)
(d) Who do they buy their parts from, do they carry liability insurance, and warranty the parts after installed by this person.
(e) Is their physical locations and mailing address the same?
(f) Do they subcontract any of their work? (check out their vendors too)
(g) Do they have a web site with example(s) of the work to be done?
(h) Are there others shooters in your same shooting disciplines successfully using this person to do their work?
(I) Will they provide you with multiple references who have had similar work done?
(j) Do they require a deposit, and is it maintained in a secure/insured, bonded financial institution?
(k) Do they provide you with a written contract, property receipt, either in person, mail, or email?

Use the U S Postal Service when at all Possible. Send Certified, Signature Required, Insure for Replacement value

Red Flags

No to any or all of the above.

Nat Lambeth

 

[ARshuter]

Having read this post for several days now. Here are some recommendations:

Government Sources
(a) Check and see if the person has an FFL with the BATF.
(b) Check and see if the business is a sole proprietorship, a LLC, or a C corporation with the Secretary of States office (who Owns or Manages, Articles of Inc., Annual Reports/Public Records)
(c) Check and see if they have City, County, state Business License or Permit.
(d) Check with the States Attorney General's Office (Consumer Protection Division (for Complaints/Public Records)
(e) Check with the Clerk of Court for Complaints, Notices, Judgments, Levies, etc., (Civil Division/Public Records)

Private Sources
Local Better Business Bureau

Ask the Right questions:

(a) What is their FFL number? (Verify it with BATF EZ Check web site)
(b) Do they carry Personal or Corporate liability Insurance? ( ask for carrier and policy number)
(c) Do they have a formal education, Engineering, Gunsmith diploma/degree, Machining, Welding, Industrial Studies etc. (can be verified by a phone call in most cases)
(d) Who do they buy their parts from, do they carry liability insurance, and warranty the parts after installed by this person.
(e) Is their physical locations and mailing address the same?
(f) Do they subcontract any of their work? (check out their vendors too)
(g) Do they have a web site with example(s) of the work to be done?
(h) Are there others shooters in your same shooting disciplines successfully using this person to do their work?
(I) Will they provide you with multiple references who have had similar work done?
(j) Do they require a deposit, and is it maintained in a secure/insured, bonded financial institution?
(k) Do they provide you with a written contract, property receipt, either in person, mail, or email?

Use the U S Postal Service when at all Possible. Send Certified, Signature Required, Insure for Replacement value

Red Flags

No to any or all of the above.

Nat Lambeth

This isn't directed at anyone in particular and I know I'll catch some grief for saying this but.
What ever happened to a hand shake and a mans word?

 

[LHSmith]

^^^^^It went out the door when the excuse "It all depends what the meaning of "is" is" became viewed as a valid legal argument among our new breed of "Super Lawyers."

 

[338 Mollett]

Keeping your word will get your head ripped off now! Sad thing is contracts and all the documentation in the world doesn't mean a thing when the people plan to cheat you.The government won't have your back.I had 400k stolen and I'm the guilty one for not having more for them to take.

 

[Screamineagle]

I hope to one day be called a gunsmith. I'm a tool maker, by trade, and enjoy doing gun work for myself. Would really like to get into business for myself one day. Hopefully people will give me a chance. It's hard to build a client list.

 

[dcali]

That's a lot of fact checking! I just send my action off to Warner Tool with a brief, but clear set of instructions and my contact info. No fuss, no muss, quick turn around and high quality work at a reasonable price.

It shouldn't be any harder than that.

 

[butchlambert]

Screamingeagle,

I would advise you to continue your toolmaking. Get an FFL and work on guns part time until you retire.

 

[hothead]

Eddie had instruction from some the BEST gunsmiths in the country, and still
has friends that build more rifles that have to be accurate and RELIABLE all the
time , and using OUR $$. His equipment is top notch and he knows how to use it.
I've known Ed for 25 years , and would trust his work fully.
I do rifle work also. Chambered close to 700 barrels. tried all the different ways
ever thought of . I will only fit and chamber one way. learned the hard way.
one thing with the small guy is. if it takes a little longer to indicate a bbl in or to
chamber( hard or mushy steel ) i'll take the extra time and do it the right way.
I've talked to BIG NAME smiths that tell me how long it takes to Chamber a bbl ,I wish I could come close to that.
and how close they get them indicated in to be GOOD ENOUGH. or how they hold a bolt or action for trueing.
it just makes me sick. But they drive BIG motor homes and are backed up for a year or more. And some that occasionally put a used bbl on a rifle for someone, saying the guy not that good a shooter anyway.
When I first started doing gun work, a BIG NAME smith told me ; one thing you got to remember, there's a lot of BS'ing going on.
The biggest thing you need to remembering on rifle building is to know your limitations
and don't lie to the customer. everybody makes mistakes. Be ready to make good for what work you do.
hh

 

[Eddie Harren]

hothead, thanks for the kind words. Sara says "Hey"!

 

[noload]

The same can be said for his equipment etc... If his shop is off limits or has some kind of area51 type scenario to it something is awry.

Hey I've got a couple AREA 51's in my shop. (Hide the good stuff from the kids) PS my kids are 30 + 40

 

[boltman223]

I won't pose as a gunsmith, but I like that Erik only has the minimum hanging out of his chosen chuck setup.

How's this for the minimum hanging out? And no its not a barrel lol.