Patch Out: Recommended

[garandman]

As the picture below shows, I have tried a crap load of cleaners . I have been having a particularly difficult time cleaning my 224 Valkyrie.

This most recent range trip, I did an initial cleaning at the range and brought the gun home and nylon brushed it with PatchOut.

I let it set for 40 minutes and then pushed one patch through that came out filthy even after the range cleaning. I ran a second patch through that came out with a tiny amount of fouling and the 3rd patch came out clean. No blue copper residue visible.

*Very* impressed.

The gun has shown itself to be very copper sensitive with any copper fouling degrading accuracy. Patch out says it cleans copper carbon and powder residue. We will see how accurate the gun shoots next range trip.

 

[Stud Duck]

I suffer from the same affliction: solvent fetish.

 

[dogdude]

Gman, your next option is W/O Accelerator..bottle reads with P/O it will clean twice as much in half the time. I can't tell you good it works because I've always used the two together , but I know the two together work nicely, I use bronze brushes also...Hawkeye approved.

 

[nmkid]

Fortunately, none of my builds have a problem with copper build-up. However, lately, I have been using Bore Tech for the carbon and it works great. So, that is the flavor of the month...For now. LOL.

 

[AckleymanII]

Go to a case that uses 70g of powder and see how it works after 40 shots. Brush does the work.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Nobody has showed me anything that will remove carbon without mechanical action. Least damaging is a bronze brush. Its just like the ar500 crow i carry around for those 800yd deer killers to shoot at- i have a hawkeye that tattletales. There are plenty of products that work on copper, but carbon is a whole different animal

 

[dmoran]

^^^^ +1 .... best cleaner there is.

Apply your "flavor of the month" for a lubricant, and clean away !.!.!

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[urbanrifleman]

^^^^ +1 .... best cleaner there is.

Apply your "flavor of the month" to them for a lubricant, and clean away !.!.!

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From my tests this bronze brush gets the all the practical carbon and copper that's not hard burned on. I have been using Eliminator as lubricant for the brush, and simply ignoring the blue (know that it works and I ignore the color from the brush). I skip the patching Eliminator step to start all together. Its redundant. The Eliminator and brush gets all the copper.

Flitz Bore Cleaner every 200-400 rounds on a nylon brush short stroking the bore has proven to destroy all other products in my tests.

I am currently testing using Tipton nylon brushes that are one size larger instead of the more expensive stiff brushes.

 

[willyp19]

I am currently testing using Tipton nylon brushes that are one size larger instead of the more expensive stiff brushes.

Tipton nylon brushes are too flimsy IMHO, I think Iosso Eliminator nylon brushes are the best.

 

[garandman]

I've heard from numerous people that should know that nylon brushes are preferable to bronze.

Some of the copper cleaners even specifically say not to use bronze brushes

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I've heard from numerous people that should know that nylon brushes are preferable to bronze.

Some of the copper cleaners even specifically say not to use bronze brushes

I cant think of anybody that knows that would recommend nylon over bronze- and i know some heavy hitters. You have to neutralize the bronze brush after you use it. I use carb cleaner or dip it in a bottle of water. They wont last long at all if you dont.

 

[dmoran]

@garandman
Know some people that went down that road (including myself years back). Most all ended back on real brushes.
For certain aspects and applications, plastic brushes have there place and merit. But for "in general barrel cleaning" there's nothing that can get hard and/or layered fouling out any better or as effective then a bronze brush can that I've ever seen or used.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

@garandman
Know a lot of people that went down that road (including myself years back). Most all ended back on real brushes.
For certain aspects and applications, plastic brushes have there place and merit. But for "in general barrel cleaning" there's nothing that can get hard and/or layered fouling out any better or as effective then a bronze brush can that I've ever seen or used.

What is the place for a nylon brush? I havent found it yet

 

[dmoran]

For myself:
- to apply Iosso (as per there instructions).
- when I want to brush/scrub on a particular spot.
- Etc......

 

[Martin52]

Boretech instructions say to use a nylon brush after the initial 3-4 wet patches when using either their carbon and copper solvents.

I use a bronze brush straight after a match to get at the carbon, then go to the first few wet patches.

 

[rammac]

I cant think of anybody that knows that would recommend nylon over bronze- and i know some heavy hitters. You have to neutralize the bronze brush after you use it. I use carb cleaner or dip it in a bottle of water. They wont last long at all if you dont.

Could it be that you don't know everybody?

 

[garandman]

Could it be that you don't know everybody?

Heh heh....

 

[K22]

Bronze vs. Nylon brushes - a little common sense may be useful here if we're talking about the superiority of removing carbon - it stands to reason that the mechanical action of a bronze brush would be superior to nylon - right?.

When I made the switch from the offensive odor of Shooter's Choice to something odorless to please wifey, I selection Bore Tech products. I opted for the two solvent system - i.e. C2 Carbon remover with a bronze brush followed by (after specified dwell time then dry patching) with Cu+2 to remove copper. I'm extremely pleased with the results.

Rifle cleaning is always going to be one of those topics which shooter's will disagree on and there may be more than one way to get it done satisfactorily but the Bore Tech products do work quite well.

 

[garandman]

Thinking out loud... My question about bronze brushes has to do with their comparatively much higher level of abrasion as compared to a carbon fiber rod brushing against the rifling such that people will mock and ridicule you if you don't use a bore guide with your Cleaning rod.

Bronze brushes are significantly more abrasive then a carbon fiber rod barely grazing the inside of the bore.

Hey… I use a bore guide. To minimize the abrasion of the cleaning rod. To then use a bronze bristle brush that is far more abrasive? Makes no sense.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Bronze brushes are significantly more abrasive then a carbon fiber rod barely grazing the inside of the bore.

not even close

Could it be that you don't know everybody?

I did say anybody that knows so that does cover the people i dont know