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opinon for a 2nd 6mm for coyotes

I have a kimber montana with a Douglas barrel in a 1-12 twist that shoots 88 bergers at 3100 fps under MOA.
I like the light weight and barrel length with the set up I have now a 24 inch barrel.
The 88's have a .391 BC.
I am thinking about a second rebarreled kimber montana in a different caliber that can handle a higher BC bullet in the wind.
6mm-06, 6mm-284? Would like to shoot the high BC burgers like the 105's or the 115's.
Am I chasing my tail with what I already have? Most shots will be under 500 yards. I just want a edge for windy days.
Thanks in advance for your advise.
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can't speak to the ballistics, but the 6-284 is well supported with brass and data, and I've pulled for them at 600 yard f class. They are murder on spindles. Barrel life seems to be it's one weakness, but that wouldn't be an issue in a hunting rig.
 
If you are wanting something different than your .243 ,,try a 6mm BR,(or Dasher !!),,it may not have all the blinding speed but accuracy is un-beatable,,,Roger
 
I've shot coyotes with nearly every caliber from .172 ---> .308, and believe that a large capacity .224 caliber is where it's at for coyotes.
.22-250AI, .22-243Win or Middie, .22-243AI, .22-6mm/TTH, or AI...etc. When you neck down from 6mm, you're improving ballistics without the powder burn or recoil penalty. And a 75-80gr .224 bullet @>3500fps MV allows plenty of energy to knock the crap outta a 25-45 lb. coyote for a loooong way.

It'd take a heck of a 6mm to even match a big .224, ballistically. And you'd be dealing with more muzzle blast/recoil & burning more powder to do so...

Food for thought, good luck & have fun deciding!!!
 
6x47L is the only one in my book and I have had them all. Best brass available, feeding, great ballistics, can seat 105's long and still fit into Mag...etc. Don't do a short BR case for a coyote rifle. They can be a real pain to get them to feed properly.
 
I have had many customs for hunting coyotes. If you want to screw the project from the get go, choose a cartridge that has no room in the magazine box to chase the lands as the leade grows. Setting the barrel back to maintain accuracy or putting on another barrel gets expensive as those VLD bullets will only jump so far before you loose accuracy....it does not take much.

So, your cartridge choice may want to start with looking at the OAL of your mag box and the bullet design you want to use.

Also, some coyote bullets are worth building a cartridge around, and I do hope you choose a KILLING bullet vs a target bullet. 88g Bergers hard to find?

If you are shooting between 400-500, there is NO chance to pull out a range finder, dial in the wind and elevation, better have something that gives you an edge. An edge would be super flat shooting with a bullet that is designed to kill, IF you can hit them!

My success:

22/250 AI-12 twist-27", 55g NOsler at 4100
" , 60g Berger at 3700

custom 243, 12 twist, 26", very short freebore, 80g Sierra Blitz at 3500 with max load for the rifle using IMR 4064
" 80g Berger, Ok bullet, not as good as the Sierra on killing

243 AI- 12 twist- 70g Nosler at 3750
80g Sierra at 3550

6 Rem AI- This case is best on a long action- 12twist, 26", 70g Nosler at 4100
" 80g Sierra at 3800

Friends that are serious coyote hunters are using:

22/243-12twist, 25", 60g Berger and V max at 4000 fps

22/243-8 twist-25" 75g A max at 3650

22/243 AI-8 twist 75g A max at 3650

22/6 Rem AI-8 twist, 80g A max at 3650

You have a very small kill zone on a coyote, and they have the will to live that is hard to believe, they do not give up easily.

Remember what your impact velocity will be at 500.

The std 243 with a 105g A max with the new powder R#26 will get 3300 with accuracy, that may be a good place to start if your magazine box will give you any room to work with. Ever hear of a rifle with a 600-800 round barrel life? Well, if you have to feed from the magazine, you should plan on seating the bullet out at least .150 from new on leade growth to maximize the barrel life in your hunting rifle. Choose an action length to maximize your ability to chase the lands from leade growth.

You should be looking at shooting groups in the 3/8" area to 5/8" max to shoot coyotes at 500 yards. Keeping your custom shooting to this degree of accuracy is the challenge...most think in terms a barrel's performance when it is new staying a constant, and nothing could be further from the truth.

If you can't chase the lands as the leade grows, expect accuracy degradation within 350 rounds...goes down hill from there.
 
Great replies. Thx a mill.
Is it not possible to anneal target Bullets so that they become varmint Bullets?
 
370bc -

Howdy !

If you are going to re-barrel the same action, perhaps 6mm -06 won't be a viable option; if the Montana action cannot accomodate it ?


With regards,
357Mag
 
You may have to heat them up to the point where the BT would collapse from rotational torque as the bullet starts to in the lands.

Since there are so many great hunting bullets out for coyotes, I would think that annealing would be a waste of time. I shot quite a few 68g bergers on coyotes in a 243, they worked great. 80g Berger at 200 yards blew about a 2" hole in a coyote on the off side.

The worry is that beyond 350 yards if the bullet will expand and kill efficiently. A coyote will flip and flop, spin and bite himself, but when he figures out that he is not been bit by another animal, he is gone in a flash. Plan on shooting a cannon if you want to hit them behind the diaphragm and put them down, 243 Win power factor at least.

It is a bad plan to focus on the BC of a bullet for hunting coyotes for short range(450 yds), you are going to end up shooting a bullet that punches holes in a coyote...they are only about 5" thick. 87g V max is a great place for you to start (BC.400).

Question for you: Out to what point does Velocity with a bullet with a poor bc (time of flight) trumph a heavier bullet with a better BC? Remember, you are shooting coyotes where the bullet has to dump energy! You are going to be shocked when you do your research on this question!!!

One of the cases that I used with great success is the 6/250 AI shooting the 70g Nosler at 3750 fps, bug holes, massacred every critter I pointed at, plenty of room left in the mag box to chase the lands. 6x47 Lapua is darn close to the 6/250 AI..HINT! We were hunting Mexico in those days down the Baja, and State of Sonora...massacred the coyotes.

These guys shooting the 22/243, 22/243 AI, 22/6mm AI probably have the best mouse trap on the block when it comes to a dedicated coyote rifle shooting the 75 and 80g A max for 500 yd shooting in the wind. If you plug in the numbers, it is hard to believe....and most important....killing power in a magnum class without the magnum. Remember, with your action's mag box, set yourself up to be able to chase the lands as the leade grows. You are not going to fill the case with any powder you choose, so you can stuff the bullet down in the case without worrying about a pressure spike more than likely. By stuffing the bullet down in the case, you will have more room left in your mag box. Start at the start.

I killed two coyotes in Sonora, Mexico with a 80g berger shot at 3600 MV(6 Remington custom Parker Hale, 42g of IMR 4064) in the range of about 450 yards. There were 8 coyotes in a back end of a field on a cow, and they were playing the game of which one was going to be the most Dominant for possession of the cow. There was a slight cross wind and it was blowing the sound of the gun shot away...we could not believe they were not paying any attention to the gun shots. I emptied two, five round magazines at them killing two, hitting 4 before they got wise to what was going on. From that point forward, my 6mm bullet for coyotes has been the 80g Sierra Blitz BT because it anchors them real good.

You can spend a lot of money and time designing this and that, but if your bullet does not work for you as a hunting bullet should, you are really wasting your time and money. I know a lot of dedicated coyote hunters that Kill a lot. All of these very serious hunters with some very expensive customs shoot Sierra, Nosler, and hornady v and a max bullets that kill with a lot of energy dump. When you shoot a bullet that has a .070-.090 Meplat, don't expect much in killing power...ain't going to happen at ranges past 350 yards as a general rule unless you have some screaming speed behind it. Velocity/RPM's can get that bullet jacket to open up if don't hit them low and unzip them.

The biggest problem that I have had with shooting coyotes past 350 yards is bullet drop. In real life, you connect on coyotes all over their body, NOT the perfect behind the shoulder shot, this is why horse power with a killing bullet is so important. The 80g Sierra Blitz creates such a tremendous wound cavity from hydrostatic shock that it shreds arteries some inches away from the bullet path. ON a broadside shot, I have found the 80g Sierra blitz to be a killing bullet when a coyote is hit from behind the front leg, to the front edge of the hip(kidney's) when shot out of a 243 or 6mm rem or a variant there of.
 
ackleyman II said:
These guys shooting the 22/243, 22/243 AI, 22/6mm AI probably have the best mouse trap on the block when it comes to a dedicated coyote rifle shooting the 75 and 80g A max for 500 yd shooting in the wind. If you plug in the numbers, it is hard to believe....and most important....killing power in a magnum class without the magnum.

Exactly!

Difficult to fathom how fast & flat they shoot from 3-600yds, feels like its cheating!

Quick video of a frozen rope in action, 75Amax via .22-243AI @ 650yds...
http://vid12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/fredo411/6119762F-6004-43C0-8556-85843D064EE1_zpsrjxd9wch.mp4
 
well, if you want flat and hard hitting here is my $0.02. as long as you don't mind short brass/barrel life. 22/6mm Remington Ackley. I had one once. scary flat with a 60hp sierra. well over 4k FPS. never tried a different bullet. if you want to keep hides, not your best choice. didn't have to worry about bullet drop much thou.
 
I have shot out the chamber in a 224 TTH and had it set back and working on the 2nd. chamber. I have not been able to get the velocities that Ackleyman has got, but with an 8 twist and 80 gr. SMK bullets I had no trouble shooting 2 in. 3 shot groups at 600 yards. Great long range round. I also have 3 different 6-284`s at present. One I just put together, an 8 twist Shillen barrel on a Savage action. The 2 I have played with are tack drivers with 70 gr. SMK bullets and will do well to 500 yards, but I want the higher BC of the 105 and 107 bullets. This barrel has been Carbon Nitrited to improve barrel life. I also put together a 6mm-300WSM with a Carbon Nitrited barrel to real check out Nitriting. From what I`ve seem so far, about 4 years of testing, the 224 TTH has the over all edge for long range coyote gun.
 
You shooting 70 & 107g match kings on coyotes? The 70 mk I shot put tiny holes through coyotes at 3800, and the 105 MK shot holes through coyotes at 3000. I tried shooting chucks with both also, dismal results.
 
AckleymanII is right on the Sierra 80 Blitz. I've shot them at 3500 and 3600 in a 6-284 and a 6 Rem and they just fall over
 
I think the new tipped Sierra match kings will be just the ticket for long range coyotes. I have had great luck with the 75 A-max
and the 87 V-max. They will expand as far as you can hit them. ;D

Regards, Paul

www.boltfluting.com
 

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