I have owned guns with both barrel brands. I have one that currently has a shot out Krieger barrel. A 6 mm Remington with two thousand rounds through it. What will be the deciding factor as to which barrel I replace it with is DELIVERY TIME!. That is how I got my experience with the first Bartlien. At that time it was about a years wait to get a Krieger, so I went with the BArtlien and have not regretted it.
Opinions on Krieger vs Bartlein barrels
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So what does that mean? Krieger doesn't donate or sponsor to prize tables or to different websites/forums like Accurate Shooter etc...or Shilen or Hawk Hill etc....
Just this year (2019) we became the official sponsor of PRS. In the past it was not offered to us. We donated to matches and prize tables like we do for any other match when we can.
Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
I'll also throw this in there as well. At times we make donations and have been insisting/requesting that the host club raffle the donation and that the money raised gets split up to kids helping with range duties (or Range Officers that donate they're time as well) and or the money goes to the club to help the club itself. Thank Mark here for doing/suggesting that.
Brady here went to a match this weekend and did the same thing with one barrel. Club raised $780 in the raffle and it went to repairing/getting new targets for the club.
The amount of requests that we received for donations and or sponsorships or free barrels is staggering and we do say no at times.
Also take what you hear with a grain of salt. There are plenty of times where a whole team shoots our barrels and wins the World Champs etc...and some people automatically think we gave the team all of they're barrels for free. Not exactly the case.
And or we make a donation (flat out a monetary donation) to a U.S. Team to help them out offset costs for traveling to another country etc...and not everyone on the team shoots our barrels.
Brady here went to a match this weekend and did the same thing with one barrel. Club raised $780 in the raffle and it went to repairing/getting new targets for the club.
The amount of requests that we received for donations and or sponsorships or free barrels is staggering and we do say no at times.
Also take what you hear with a grain of salt. There are plenty of times where a whole team shoots our barrels and wins the World Champs etc...and some people automatically think we gave the team all of they're barrels for free. Not exactly the case.
And or we make a donation (flat out a monetary donation) to a U.S. Team to help them out offset costs for traveling to another country etc...and not everyone on the team shoots our barrels.
linebaugh
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Frank,
That was in no way a downgrade to your product and I sincerely hope you did not take it as such. Although I have no alliance to barrel manufacturers I have more Bartlein's than any other barrel manufacturer and have never had an issue with one. No doubt Bartlein is one of the top flight barrel manufacturers out there, period. I presently run a Bartlein on my PRS rig.
So what it means is very simple. The top shooters questioned each year in that blog are highly likely all sponsored shooters and I would bet there are no shooters on that precision rifle blog that are not sponsored. Guess what gear you are going to run when you are sponsored by a company?
In addition to the top 50 shooters or top 100 or whomever Cal has questioned then you have fanboys who idolize the better shooters. It's entirely real and it's no different than any other sport out there and people mimick what they see. That is not a bad thing or a slam, it's just what happens.
Again in addition to the sponsored shooters you have sponsored prize tables which again promote products within the community in addition to sponsoring shooters directly. All of this is absolutely not taking anything away from any sponsors as the sponsorship donations to the sport have been absolutely amazing and I would doubt that without their generosity the NRL/PRS would be where it is today. Conversely there have been some incredible gains in gear in the last few years directly related to the sport IMO. Bags, brakes, rail systems, scope reticles and scope features, higher BC bullets and more choices, custom ammo, cartridges etc. have all changed rapidly as a direct result of PRS type shooting. Its the hot topic that is growing and as such so are the products that go with it.
Now all of that said Cal has an excellent site and has done some of the most in depth and well though out studies that exist in the PRS community. His analysis of muzzle brakes was incredible. He is giving us exactly what most of us want to see and he is presenting things factually but you have to realize there are some significant influences guiding the outcomes.
It would be fun if Cal did an alternate study of the middle 50 or bottom 50 shooters or just unsponsored shooters to see where the numbers would come out.
At any rate I hope I did not offend you Frank or anyone for that matter. That was absutely not my intent.
Tim
linebaugh
Silver $$ Contributor
Frank,
Apparently I ruffled feathers. I just read this after posting. I am not knocking any sponsors whatsoever and that was not the point I was trying to make. The sponsorship has been outstanding and the products they present are also outstanding. I also realize that sponsored shooters do not typicall get "free" products and are paying cost or a discounted price for products. I see first hand what sponsorship generosity does for the shooting community as a whole and it's amazing. I shoot matches nearly every other weekend so I have seen a pile of prize tables and watched new shooters, kids, volunteers get many incredible prizes due to the generosity of sponsors and shooters alike. I can't say enough good about the community as a whole so please know that was not the intent of my original post.
Tim
farmerjohn
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Like you I didn't believe In fixing unbroken things and have used nothing but Kreiger, even in my hunting rifles and PD guns .coup co of years ago my son gave me a new Bartlein chambered in a bra for my bat for my birthday. Then for Christmas he gave me a Lederer blank HV that I had chambered to bra for a Panda. Both of them shoot as well or better than any barrel I've ever had, and the Bartlein cleaned up like glass from break in on. I think any of the premium barrels are probably way better than the average person can shoot...
Farmer
Tim, A little bit but all is cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not mad at ya! Thanks for posting back!
At times I'll say some things are hard to take not knowing how it's meant. I also agree with you and I don't know how to say it exactly but that I tell people to take what you see on equipment lists etc...with a grain of salt as well. What is listed vs. what a shooter uses and or maybe lump in with advertisements and the whole internet thing is not always what you see/read.
Overall I agree the community as a whole is great! We do need to stick together as a whole as well. Not just the rifle shooters but the pistol shooters, shotgun shooters and machine gun shooters etc...as the saying goes united we stand and divided we fall.
Later, Frank
At times I'll say some things are hard to take not knowing how it's meant. I also agree with you and I don't know how to say it exactly but that I tell people to take what you see on equipment lists etc...with a grain of salt as well. What is listed vs. what a shooter uses and or maybe lump in with advertisements and the whole internet thing is not always what you see/read.
Overall I agree the community as a whole is great! We do need to stick together as a whole as well. Not just the rifle shooters but the pistol shooters, shotgun shooters and machine gun shooters etc...as the saying goes united we stand and divided we fall.
Later, Frank
farmerjohn
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After reading the rest of the post I will say this, the Lederer barrel my son gave me was one that he won in St Louis and the fact that Bartlein and Lederer are donating barrels to the shooting community will force me to choose from one or the other as to availability in the future.
Farmer
Farmer
Hoodoo
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Are you under the impression that Bartlien and Lederer are the only companies that donate to prize tables?
I doubt he thinks this. Now let's get back on topic.
I have no opinion simply because I have never owned a Bartlein, but I'm heavily considering one instead of another Krieger. Very happy with Krieger, just think I'd like to try something different.
farmerjohn
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No sir I certainly didn't mean to imply that at all. They are the only ones that I have seen in the limited amount of shoots (600&1000) IBS that I have been able to attend in the past two seasons. I was simply trying to to show support for those who help us . Did not mean to offend anyone....
Lederer barrels. That's a new one on me - AFAIK, none has reached the UK to date, or more accurately maybe the are here but I've maybe simply not come across the name before. Just Googled them. Are they fairly new on the US scene? Full range of types, calibres, profiles etc like Krieger and Bartlein?
As to the OP, I'm another in the both makes are great camp. Krieger used to be the No.1 custom build choice in the UK but lost that position thanks to supply difficulties / year plus waiting times as others have said. Bartlein is possibly the most popular US barrel import here - they're competitively priced, they work, they run-in and clean easily, the importers speak highly of the company as good people to deal with giving great customer service. What's not to like?
As to the OP, I'm another in the both makes are great camp. Krieger used to be the No.1 custom build choice in the UK but lost that position thanks to supply difficulties / year plus waiting times as others have said. Bartlein is possibly the most popular US barrel import here - they're competitively priced, they work, they run-in and clean easily, the importers speak highly of the company as good people to deal with giving great customer service. What's not to like?
john pruitt
Silver $$ Contributor
as the man said i have both you would be hard pressed to tell the difference
farmerjohn
Gold $$ Contributor
To answer Laurie, James Lederer, Im told a fairly small operation, I know he's a pretty good wait. Built the barrel that Bart Sauter of Barts Bullets shot a record with last year. Think it was .280 five shot at six hundred yds at Memphis TN. We had to try one and they are good barrels, capable of a lot more than my still level ...
Farmer
Laurie, Lederer Barrels. His name is James Lederer. He use to work for Rock Creek and is on his own now but if I recall correctly he is using Rocks equipment. To my knowledge he is only making 6mm's and .30cal. barrels. Not sure what all groove styles and or twist. Maybe James will pop on here or someone else and update us with more info.
Later, Frank
I read that and it gave me a chuckle!
On a serious note....the rifling most likely wouldn't line up!!!
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