NRA core mission effectiveness

[ronsatspokane]

I live in a blue state. Next year I will be required to get a permit from the state of Washington to exercise my 2nd amendment right to purchase a firearm. We are already prohibited from purchasing the tools required to compete in a variety of competitions like High Power (AR lowers), IPSC and IPDA (hicap mags) and limited in Bullseye (can't buy Pardini or any other brand where the mag is in front of the trigger). New law making it impossible for small firearms dealers to financially comply with are already resulting in LGS closures (expensive customer surveillance systems and storage of data collected). The requirement to purchase liability insurance on our firearms is back before the state houses of government. No insurance company offers that insurance but we can deposit something like 25000 bucks in an escrow account that will be owned by the state.

I have never seen the NRA in Washington State battling these unconstitutional state laws. Everything else the NRA claims to be their "mission" is irrelevant when we are no longer are allowed or can no longer afford to own firearms. Every dime they get should be spent on court battles. Nothing else matters.

Given the above, there is no scale that can represent my view of the NRA's performance. To me it looks like they are actively involved in the effort to disarm the American public as evidenced by there absence or lack of laser like focus on the one thing that can prevent their demise.

 

[GetReal]

Ya mean landmark US Supreme Court cases like
DC vs Heller which overturned the DC gun ban
or
McDonald vs Chicago which established the Second Amendment as a fundamental right
or

2008 / 2010.

And for the fifth time... totally ineffective in helping blue states.

 

[GetReal]

I have what I believe to be an interesting observation on the NRA situation as observed from the view of the general shooting public. I'm an active member of about 7 or 8 shooting/gun forums. In a thread on this forum I offered to make a list of NRA board recommendations for the up coming board election. I started a thread in all of the other forums where I felt it would be of value and pertinent in those other forums offering to post the recommendations in all the forums. Initially I received 5 names in this forum, so far in all of the other forums I have received zero names and no new names in this forum either. One of the other forums I received a number of fairly hostile responses, not at me, but at the NRA. My overall impression from my admittedly small sample size of the shooting public, is that the shooting public in mass doesn't really give a damn about the NRA one way or another. Actually kind of sad, but not really surprising.

Mike

As documented by others above, NRA has been almost totally invisible for some 15 years in this country, on a 2A front.

Others documented how the NRA is rapidly disappearing from the competition arena.

Yet others are like me see, no NRA involvement in the safety training or marksmanship training arena.

So... Im not sure what people are mad about other than the fact that the NRA for the last fifteen years has been exactly what anti gunners would want it to be... impotent.

 

[Syncrowave]

2008 / 2010.

According to my Cray, those cases fall within your "we've been waiting 25+ years for the NRA to do something more than fundraise." 2010 was 16 years ago, and 2008 was 18 years ago.

NRA has been almost totally invisible for some 15 years in this country, on a 2A front.

Wait -- I thought it was 25 years, not 15.

Yet others are like me see, no NRA involvement in the safety training or marksmanship training arena.

Like I said, you don't know WTF you're talking about. That last statement completely destroyed any credibility you might otherwise have had.

But thanks for playin!

 

[Luisyamaha]

I totally disagree with their changes to NRA publications. Chose to still get the quarterly (?) paper publication and signed up for the on-line publication also.
Been getting a lot of e-mails asking for money, which I didn't sign for. Never used to get as many paper requests for money. Just my pet peeve.
I believe NRA's core job should be defending the 2nd. amendment. Without that we have NOTHING.

Luisyamaha

 

[GetReal]

Like I said, you don't know WTF you're talking about.

Does throwing F bombs at me make you feel powerful?

And again , for the sixth time now my point about the NRA as ineffective and almost total lack of accomplishment mostly has to do with blue states. And the accomplishments you name are all we get for near a billion dollars of contributions? NRA sure does have a spiffy new headquarters , though.

And the real point of my thread ( pls re- read my OP) was focusing on what the NRA **admits** about their loss of focus on their main core goals and mission statement - training, safety, competitions and poor communicatiin

The NRA **admits ** that.

 

[Syncrowave]

NRA sure does have a spiffy new headquarters , though.

"New headquarters"??? You mean the one they moved into over 30 years ago?

(I'm guessing that's before you were born.) You really don't know anything about them, do you?

a billion dollars of contributions

Are you sure it wasn't a bajillion ... or a quadrillion? Where do you get this garbage?

 

[Texas Solo]

I've seen no improvement in the competition division. As an F Class match director, I send in scores with a check. I get the canceled check, but scores are not recorded. It took 4 months and a few strong emails to get it done. So what is the point in holding Approved or Sanctioned matches? My shooters get nothing from it.

 

[GetReal]

I've seen no improvement in the competition division. As an F Class match director, I send in scores with a check. I get the canceled check, but scores are not recorded. It took 4 months and a few strong emails to get it done. So what is the point in holding Approved or Sanctioned matches? My shooters get nothing from it.

Helpful, on- point info. Thanx.

Hopefully , we will see improvement there based upon the new focus , which began about a year ago.

 

[Syncrowave]

totally ineffective in helping blue states.

I see many blue states on this map that have benefited from NRA efforts over the past 25 or 15 (or 5) years.

 

[D Coots]

I've seen no improvement in the competition division. As an F Class match director, I send in scores with a check. I get the canceled check, but scores are not recorded. It took 4 months and a few strong emails to get it done. So what is the point in holding Approved or Sanctioned matches? My shooters get nothing from it.

Maybe the folks in charge of the NRA need more pay.....

 

[D Coots]

I see many blue states on this map that have benefited from NRA efforts over the past 25 or 15 (or 5) years.

The NRA did squat helping red State Iowa get to where it is now on concealed carry.

Kudos to the IOWA FIREARMS COALITION for carrying the torch.

IFC receives the $$$ I used to donate to the corrupt crooks.

Later

Dave

 

[GetReal]

The NRA did squat helping Iowa get to where it is now on concealed carry.

Kudos to the IOWA FIREARMS COALITION for carrying the torch.

IFC receives the $$$ I used to donate to the corrupt crooks.

Later

Dave

I hope this isn't getting too political.But it's well documented (above) .... the NRA has spent a lot of money in blue states and their laws just keep getting worse and worse.

I used to live in Connecticut and for my friend who still lives there, the laws are absolutely terrible. NRA has accomplished almost nothing there. Same with RI / NJ / MA /MD / IL / CO / CA / DC/ NY etc etc

 

[Bob in WI]

So... I cant just expect the existing board / prior boards to prevent embezzelment and stay mission focused? I've Got to move to washington , d c and try to get on the board and ride herd and mother hen the board?

Am I Also partly to blame for congress failures and corruption because I didn't run for congress?

No I don't think your question is fair at all. Turning it back on me, does not excuse What has happened with the NRA. Every individual ( NRA board) has a personal responsibility to do right regardless of what others (me) do.

If I do wrong / do nothing on the boards / committees that I currently serve on, I can't blame other people for my inaction / wrongdoing by saying they should have run for the board. They have a right to expect me to do what's right.

Amen!

 

[urbanrifleman]

The NRA is an excellent bogeyman for the news and political pundits to pick on, while other gun orgs get shit done.

It would be best if someone would just put that horse down. It's been lame for a real long time. Might be best to just end it's pain.

Honestly, if there is an effective pro gun lobby in DC I've never heard of it.

 

[M-61]

Where has all the money gone?

 

[D Coots]

I hope this isn't getting too political.But it's well documented (above) .... the NRA has spent a lot of money in blue states and their laws just keep getting worse and worse.

I used to live in Connecticut and for my friend who still lives there, the laws are absolutely terrible. NRA has accomplished almost nothing there. Same with RI / NJ / MA /MD / IL / CO / CA / DC/ NY etc etc

Red State Guy here. Don't recall seeing anything about the NRA fighting for me on concealed carry anywhere, any time here in Iowa. We did it ourselves and obviously the NRA spent their money on the Blue States. JMO

Later

Dave

 

[GetReal]

Where has all the money gone?

To the degree you can trust Google AI.... it says membership donations have averaged AT LEAST $100 million a year each year for the last twenty five. Thats $2.5 billion, not counting other funding sources.

I don't know that we've gotten our money's worth in legislative action, or competitions or firearms training or safety training or clubs and organizations.

 

[jpjulian]

Maybe, just my opinion here, maybe NRA execs have sat down and decided which states are lost causes..... like Washington, Oregon, California, Illinois........ and those decisions have influenced their spending. What throw money at a lost cause? My opinion again.... but so much money was spent keeping WLP out of prison, and the money had to come from somewhere, that a decision was made to abandon those states deemed lost causes. That's the way it looks to me. I have no evidence to support my idea or opinion but to me, that is how it looks regarding NRA presence in Deep Blue states.

 

[M-61]

I don't know that we've gotten our money's worth in legislative action, or competitions or firearms training or safety training or clubs and organizations.

100 million dollars per year for the last 25 years. They are in a really serious business.
Not an organization for me.