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New truck time- looking for a raptor.

I've only had my shop since 1980 and oil pump replacement is almost non existant on any brand. We did a compilation of our work orders earlier this year. Overall our customer's average mileage is 133,000 miles.
 
A quick PSA / ASPA (accurate shooter public service announcement) long and short my Silverado would not accelerate and just roared when I pressed the accelerator. Turn out one of the Catalytic converters was stopped up. So if you loose power, etc might be the issue.
 
After only a short search I found that 2010 -2013 did not have a dip stick. I guess maybe ford took too much flack and returned to building them with a dip stick. i am sure they thought that most millennials didn't have the inference to check for themselves.
 
Ford goes out of their way to make it very difficult for owners to work on their own vehicles. And they are horrible at making parts compatible on vehicles from one year to the next. Not to offend anyone, but “most” people who drive Fords in general don’t have a clue how to diagnose or fix a vehicle when something goes wrong. If they did then they would know this and probably choose a different brand. So most people just take their Ford to a dealer for repairs which of course is what Ford wants so they can make more money on the maintenance. Which is fine if a person doesn’t like working on vehicles themselves and doesn’t mind spending an astronomical amount of money on repairs.

It’s kinda like the guys who buy the “Best of the West” hunting rifles for $10k and think they are getting something amazing when in reality they are basically extremely overpriced customized Rem 700 style rifles. Some people either don’t mind wasting a ton of money or they just don’t know any better. To each their own I guess

If you search used vehicles, you will see a far higher percentage of Ram, Chevy, and Toyota trucks in the market with over 200k miles than Ford. Not saying Ford can’t last a long time but they generally won’t last as long as other brands on average. But I also think a lot of that ties back to my comment above about many people who drive Ford are not very mechanically inclined which in turn results in poor maintenance over the life of the vehicle.
 
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Ledd Slinger said:
Ford goes out of their way to make it very difficult for owners to work on their own vehicles. And they are horrible at making parts compatible on vehicles from one year to the next. Not to offend anyone, but “most” people who drive Fords in general don’t have a clue how to diagnose or fix a vehicle when something goes wrong. If they did then they would know this and probably choose a different brand. So most people just take their Ford to a dealer for repairs which of course is what Ford wants so they can make more money on the maintenance. Which is fine if a person doesn’t like working on vehicles themselves and doesn’t mind spending an astronomical amount of money on repairs.

It’s kinda like the guys who buy the “Best of the West” hunting rifles for $10k and think they are getting something amazing when in reality they are basically extremely overpriced customized Rem 700 style rifles. Some people either don’t mind wasting a ton of money or they just don’t know any better. To each their own I guess

If you search used vehicles, you will see a far higher percentage of Ram, Chevy, and Toyota trucks in the market with over 200k miles than Ford. Not saying Ford can’t last a long time but they generally won’t last as long as other brands on average. But I also think a lot of that ties back to my comment above about many people who drive Ford are not very mechanically inclined which in turn results in poor maintenance over the life of the vehicle.
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Now, while all your research is very scientific and factual, I drive a Ford, I was a mechanic and owned 2 NAPA stores so I know a few things about autos/trucks. Have you considered that just maybe the government has a little to do with how vehicles are built? While I'm not a fan how a lot of things are built I still like my Fords. Oh, one other little tidbit that may have influenced me is my Dad (and granddad) owned a Ford dealership and I worked for them for 21 years so I'm a little biased. Truth is if you take care of any of them I think they will last an incredible number of miles. Buy what YOU like just don't (like someone else did) say "I saw a video" or "my brothers, mothers 1st cousin twice removed" had a problem. We did have a guy that had just a little over 100k and had engine trouble but he would bring it in for an oil change at least every 20k miles and normally when he couldn't touch the oil, when we did tear the engine down the "gunk" was 3" plus deep and he through a fit thinking it should be under warranty!
 
Shooter13 said:
Now, while all your research is very scientific and factual, I drive a Ford, I was a mechanic and owned 2 NAPA stores so I know a few things about autos/trucks. Have you considered that just maybe the government has a little to do with how vehicles are built? While I'm not a fan how a lot of things are built I still like my Fords. Oh, one other little tidbit that may have influenced me is my Dad (and granddad) owned a Ford dealership and I worked for them for 21 years so I'm a little biased. Truth is if you take care of any of them I think they will last an incredible number of miles. Buy what YOU like just don't (like someone else did) say "I saw a video" or "my brothers, mothers 1st cousin twice removed" had a problem. We did have a guy that had just a little over 100k and had engine trouble but he would bring it in for an oil change at least every 20k miles and normally when he couldn't touch the oil, when we did tear the engine down the "gunk" was 3" plus deep and he through a fit thinking it should be under warranty!
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When my wife was a kid she went with her Dad nearly every Saturday morning for half a day, as he was the parts man and shop manager. There will always be a blue oval in our garage.
 
Ford owner here. Also owned a few Chevys in the past.
Can’t remember if I’ve ever paid someone else to do any oil changes, tune ups, brakes, exhaust, shocks…. Simple things I guess.
Don’t have a diagnostic computer so I guess I’ll be at their mercy IF I ever have major problems.
Everyone has the brand that they like or dislike…. Some guys think their opinion is the only one that matters :rolleyes:
Gary
 
Shooter13 said:
Now, while all your research is very scientific and factual, I drive a Ford, I was a mechanic and owned 2 NAPA stores so I know a few things about autos/trucks. Have you considered that just maybe the government has a little to do with how vehicles are built? While I'm not a fan how a lot of things are built I still like my Fords. Oh, one other little tidbit that may have influenced me is my Dad (and granddad) owned a Ford dealership and I worked for them for 21 years so I'm a little biased. Truth is if you take care of any of them I think they will last an incredible number of miles. Buy what YOU like just don't (like someone else did) say "I saw a video" or "my brothers, mothers 1st cousin twice removed" had a problem. We did have a guy that had just a little over 100k and had engine trouble but he would bring it in for an oil change at least every 20k miles and normally when he couldn't touch the oil, when we did tear the engine down the "gunk" was 3" plus deep and he through a fit thinking it should be under warranty!
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Yeah that’s a lot of what I see. People don’t know or plain just don’t care about vehicles so they don’t maintain them properly. I believe another factor is that Ford vehicles don’t hold their value as well so a used truck is usually more affordable than other brands of the same year and miles/options of other brands. I put a TON of miles on 4 different Ford work trucks in the oilfield and owned an E450 with the 7.3L Diesel engine so I have a lot of personal experience with them as well. It was always something needing fixed. The E450 transmission went out at 42k miles, then starting issues, battery drainage issues, etc. Transfer case locked up going down the road at 50 mph in another Ford truck and sent me into the ditch. Heater cores going out, ventilation fan motors failed, cracked exhaust manifolds, leaking shocks, and the list goes on for miles. These were all brand new or fairly new trucks at the time.

I also put a TON of miles on a Ram trucks in the oilfield and they just held up so much better. The difference in repairs needed every month was night and day. But Helmerich & Payne had a deal with Ford where they got really good prices on them so they kept on buying.

I was raised on Chevy and GMC so I was biased towards them for many years. Not so much anymore, at least not a fan of any GM truck built after 1998
 
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I've owned Dodges years ago, and Ford products more recently and currently drive a 4X4 Ram 1500 (yeah, really a Dodge), and all have been very reliable due to being maintained reasonably, though I wouldn't call it meticulously. A retired surgeon friend of mine that researches everything to death bought a Raptor, loves it, but claims it has the worst brakes of any vehicle made because of the tire and wheel size which limits the brake disc diameter. The long travel suspension really makes it ride very well. He's a horrible driver and I can't understand to this day why he hasn't run over people with it. His wife has a BMW M4 which is superb in the braking category, but I don't to this day understand why she lets him drive it!o_Oo_O
 
Here you go @Dusty Stevens

This is a pretty cool setup Ram recently designed called the “RamPack” for the 1500 trucks with RamBoxes to give them extra storage. I’ve never seen a RamPack in person. Interesting option to consider anyhow.

www.foxnews.com

Ram designed a backpack for pickup trucks

The Ram 1500 Backcountry X custom is a showcase for a RamPack storage system that can be installed onto a pickup truck to expand its cargo carrying capability.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
Ledd Slinger said:
Here you go @Dusty Stevens

This is a pretty cool setup Ram recently designed called the “RamPack” for the 1500 trucks with RamBoxes to give them extra storage. I’ve never seen a RamPack in person. Interesting option to consider anyhow.

www.foxnews.com

Ram designed a backpack for pickup trucks

The Ram 1500 Backcountry X custom is a showcase for a RamPack storage system that can be installed onto a pickup truck to expand its cargo carrying capability.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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That’s pretty cool, but I gotta say it.
Putting Lipstick on a Goat!:p
 
Well for a laugh to all of this I'll admit I've owned 2 toyotas, a 2009 camry hybird, the mileage was very good but I felt like fred flintstone! That car was so underpowered I only kept it for about 9 months (I guess the "delivery" date was up!), I didn't fit in the car well and just hated it, the other toyota was a 2006 highlander, it was okay but again underpowered and mileage was not what it should have been for a hybrid, dealer just kept saying I had a heavy foot (he was/is correct!). Got life corrected and went back to Ford trucks! Oh, almost forgot, owned a '79 corvette for 3 weeks, pure junk with the worst ride ever, understand I've raced a lot, I know about power and handling now the new 'vettes look awesome.
 
See, they are all junk junk junk. I'll still buy blue oval even though I don't know how to fix them lol. Just a couple off my head for GM though, knock sensors under the intake, and canyon/Colorado rotors that require removing the wheel bearing to change or have turned unless a shop has an on vehicle machine.
 
brokeasajoke said:
See, they are all junk junk junk. I'll still buy blue oval even though I don't know how to fix them lol. Just a couple off my head for GM though, knock sensors under the intake, and canyon/Colorado rotors that require removing the wheel bearing to change or have turned unless a shop has an on vehicle machine.
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Nope, not ALL. I have a 2011Rav 4 and must say ... they did their homework designing it . And ... no sign of rust anywhere . A big 4 cylinder that does what I need it to do
 
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