New Shooters..Giving good Pit Service

[Killshot]

Steve, great contribution to the thread. I'll be printing that out and stuffing it in my rifle case. I've had instances where target repair did take more than 2 minutes, thankfully conditions werenot that volatile.

 

[Shiraz]

And then there is this:

"You may complain all you want.... groan and moan,
but at the next World Championship, your condition shall be gone".

In case you don't know what that means, its pair firing at the next Worlds - boyz

 

[Killshot]

In case you don't know what that means, its pair firing at the next Worlds - boyz

Great, then the guy you're bitching about will be able to hear you!

 

[Rtheurer]

One more thing. Don't tell me "Last round going in the chamber".

Ha! Yep that is the Kiss of Death for ole Russ. Especially if Im rolling along with a 16X to 18X Clean...
My Buddies on my home Range know not to do this to me. Ill almost garantee a 199 with high X count...

When I started shooting with the Fullbore crowd I picked up somthing I very much like as scorer. After every shot I tell the shooter the value and the shot number. Like this. Target comes up and I say" Eric .. X... one on" as in 1 on the board or score card. Next shot " Eric...Ten... two on" careful to keep the same tone and pace so that the shooter and myself (the scorer) get used to each others voice and pace. If my voice goes up or down that can and sometimes will distract the shooter that something may be afoul.. Sounds silly but having coached some High End teams it does matter. You as the coach want o keep your shooters " IN THE Zone"
I have a habit of plotting my shots when shooting an Inv match...After I got screwed in the Wimboldon match at Camp Perry in 2008 by a newer shooter who missplaced three shots. It cost me a top ten finish in the overall National Championship.
All leasons Learned the hard way...as ussual.
RussT

 

[Raythemanroe]

My archery buddies always like to know when your doing really well and remind you to not mess it up..I really don't think they have my best interest in mind

 

[johnnyi]

Sounds like this topic would make a nice video series:

running the pits
spotting and scoring
Line conduct (confirming scores, crossfires, etc...)

I'm a newbee... so not sure what else would be beneficial. But the organization in the pits would be really helpful! Plenty of smart phones could access a video to watch before the match starts. Or refer newbees to video series that are interested to see how it works before they arrive. So they can see what is expected and how to give the best service for your fellow shooters.

 

[Jdne5b]

Sounds like this topic would make a nice video series:

running the pits
spotting and scoring
Line conduct (confirming scores, crossfires, etc...)

I'm a newbee... so not sure what else would be beneficial. But the organization in the pits would be really helpful! Plenty of smart phones could access a video to watch before the match starts. Or refer newbees to video series that are interested to see how it works before they arrive. So they can see what is expected and how to give the best service for your fellow shooters.

I found this video, there are others on youtube that were helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dXA9A5jY1E

 

[johnnyi]

Sounds like this topic would make a nice video series:

running the pits
spotting and scoring
Line conduct (confirming scores, crossfires, etc...)

I'm a newbee... so not sure what else would be beneficial. But the organization in the pits would be really helpful! Plenty of smart phones could access a video to watch before the match starts. Or refer newbees to video series that are interested to see how it works before they arrive. So they can see what is expected and how to give the best service for your fellow shooters.

I found this video, there are others on youtube that were helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dXA9A5jY1E

That was quick! Thanks for the link.

 

[Taildrag15X]

Sounds like this topic would make a nice video series:

running the pits
spotting and scoring
Line conduct (confirming scores, crossfires, etc...)

I'm a newbee... so not sure what else would be beneficial. But the organization in the pits would be really helpful! Plenty of smart phones could access a video to watch before the match starts. Or refer newbees to video series that are interested to see how it works before they arrive. So they can see what is expected and how to give the best service for your fellow shooters.

I found this video, there are others on youtube that were helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dXA9A5jY1E

That was quick! Thanks for the link.

It's not a "new" thing, I've been shooting High Power and pulling targets since I was 12 and can relate to all of the horror stories.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

And then there is this:

"You may complain all you want.... groan and moan,
but at the next World Championship, your condition shall be gone".

In case you don't know what that means, its pair firing at the next Worlds - boyz

I think Shiraz brings up a good point. Next World's will be 2 or 3 to the mound, and you are not going to get to pick your condition and just shoot it. You could have a minute to a minute and a half between shots.

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

Last year at the world's in Raton, I was squaded with a couple of older gentlemen that did not have the physical ability to pull targets, so I pulled and let them mark? LOCALLY we have some shooters that move very slow! What are you to do? I guess they should hire pullers?

Diego

I've paid for pullers that should have given me money.... What can you do except smile and have at it when the target finally gets put back up!!......You don't always get what you pay for!! Lol

It would not have been your paid pullers pulling your target….

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

Well Eric, I am going to tell him just like I said... If you get squadded on my target, you will get the same schpiel... It helps to eliminate problems BEFORE they become problems...

Just curious, how would that have worked in Raton at the World Championship? I was squadded with a Brit, no problem there, a Ukrainian, not a word of English spoken, and an Italian, also not a word of English spoken.

I was shooting with the Ukrainian and he was trying to count in english with my shots, and I was following along, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, twelve. WAIT - WTF? Twelve again? I look over and he had gotten confused, scratched stuff out, and held up 3 fingers and pointed at my ammo box - three more to fire when I was done already.

It does not matter how many rounds you fire. The only thing that matters is how many rounds the scorer says you fired. Period. It is not up for discussion, debate, a look at a plot sheet, nothing. You shoot rounds on the paper until your scorer says you are done.

This is also why it is critical you take more than the required # of rounds with you to the firing line.

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

One more thing. Don't tell me "Last round going in the chamber".
Wait until I take my last shot and then say "You're all out!" Optional is to add "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D

So, you realize next time I score for you I'll be saying "Last round going in the chamber" every single string…

Also, I'll be happy to follow up with your additional "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D Immediately followed by hysterical laughter of course… Will that work?

 

[Zilla]

One more thing. Don't tell me "Last round going in the chamber".
Wait until I take my last shot and then say "You're all out!" Optional is to add "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D

So, you realize next time I score for you I'll be saying "Last round going in the chamber" every single string…

Also, I'll be happy to follow up with your additional "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D Immediately followed by hysterical laughter of course… Will that work?

This! ;D

 

[Rtheurer]

Mark you Stinker!!!

RT

 

[MNFinn]

One more thing. Don't tell me "Last round going in the chamber".
Wait until I take my last shot and then say "You're all out!" Optional is to add "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D

So, you realize next time I score for you I'll be saying "Last round going in the chamber" every single string…

Also, I'll be happy to follow up with your additional "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D Immediately followed by hysterical laughter of course… Will that work?

You just gave me my strategy for competition this season

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

Mark you Stinker!!!

RT

;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[Erik Cortina]

One more thing. Don't tell me "Last round going in the chamber".
Wait until I take my last shot and then say "You're all out!" Optional is to add "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D

So, you realize next time I score for you I'll be saying "Last round going in the chamber" every single string…

Also, I'll be happy to follow up with your additional "That was the best shooting I have ever seen, you are the most amazing shooter on the planet". ;D Immediately followed by hysterical laughter of course… Will that work?

Yes, hysterical laughter is also optional.

See you this weekend.

 

[effendude]

Here in MN, we have shooters go through an orientation session before the season starts. 5-7 second pit service is one of the goals. Scoring correctly is another. It helps the newer shooters start off with the proper procedures.

I would also suggest, most of these issues would be solved with some courteous communication. Introducing yourself and describing your expectations to the other shooters squadded with you will go far towards eliminating problems before they occur. Also when in the pits and you notice a neighboring puller is slower than expected, offer some encouragement or suggestions to speed them along. Politely explain again what is expected of them as pullers. Same thing applies to the scoring procedures.

Most of the problems I have seen in recent years have been from newer shooters not understanding what is expected from them in their non-shooting responsibilities. This happens most often when a new shooter is squadded with a veteran shooter who then "ASSUMES" the person squadded with them has the same experience and knowledge. Please have the conversation. I have twice watched HM shooters throw their gear down and walk off because a new shooter scoring for them lost a shot or more on the score sheet, but only noticed at the end of the string. Shooters, if you don't explain what you want from the scorers, take your chances.

Scott

 

[DieNarrin]

This is a great topic. As a new "experienced" shooter, I can tell you staring only through the spotting scope will work if you have a shooter that shoots rapidly. However, if you have a shooter that takes their time, no pattern in shooting speed, you will burn out and lose focus. Watching for the recoil is the best way to watch for the shooter, it also means you don't miss a shot. I place my chair where I can see the shooter load and fire - means you may have to change sides depending on if they are right or left handed.

I work hard to keep pit service as fast as possible and it is really important to have those spare spotting disks and scoring disks on the bench behind you for those fumble finger moments. I also count out pasters ahead of a string and keep a couple of spares on my shirt. Both white and black.

As a shooter I learned the hard way to keep track of my score along with the scorer to make sure a shot isn't missed. In one match my scorer missed a shot. He didn't see the target go down and come back up - so he called for a mark. Even though I told him that it had gone down. Of course it came up a miss ! I had to call over the line officer to get them to call down to the pits. Thank goodness my puller knew what my last shots were. I would like to say it saved an X or a 10... but it was two 8's in a row because I didn't believe the wind call from the first shot. I was extremely glad for two 8's in a row - an 8 beats a ZERO any day. The scorer was pissed that I doubted him and mad that I called the line officer over. Everyone can and will screw up.

So now, I don't take my eye off the scope until I see the target go down, I listen to hear my score and if I don't hear it I call back to the scorer. Cause once you take that next shot - your opportunity is gone.

Good pit service and scoring is as important as good shooting. You can't complain if you aren't willing to provide the service you deserve.