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New Primer Notification Tool

Well, got a text on Brownells being in stock.... 5 seconds after my email alert arrived through ASeek. :(

Already logged in, having done periodic refreshes throughout the day. I did a simple refresh, yet it was OOS already. I doubt they were in stock for more than a few seconds. This is ridiculous.
 
Well, got a text on Brownells being in stock.... 5 seconds after my email alert arrived through ASeek. :(

Already logged in, having done periodic refreshes throughout the day. I did a simple refresh, yet it was OOS already. I doubt they were in stock for more than a few seconds. This is ridiculous.
Checked the logs and it does appear it was only in stock for a second or two.

I agree its ridiculous, and it can be really frustrating.

Having these false positive like events is the price we pay for wanted to send text as fast as possible. I don't wait to check again and verify if its still in stock because seconds matter.

My Aseek email came about 50 seconds after text.



Just hang tight, I don't control the market, or these retailers, but there has been a good history of large drops coming a couple times a month.

Many others here can tell you that as well.

Hope more come soon.
 
Well, got a text on Brownells being in stock.... 5 seconds after my email alert arrived through ASeek. :(

Already logged in, having done periodic refreshes throughout the day. I did a simple refresh, yet it was OOS already. I doubt they were in stock for more than a few seconds. This is ridiculous.

I agree that it's frustrating. All I can say is be patient... Using the PrimerPrimer service I've been able to get primers twice from Brownells and once from Midway. In all three instances, available stock sold out in less than one minute. These are frustrating times for sure, but I got to give PrimerPrimer a big thumbs up.
 
Really, how many of you will buy at these prices?????

On another note, great to see some of yall's orders are shipping.

@AirborneCIB What primers were you able to pickup?
BR4, bench rest is over kill for the loads I build, but I ordered them, with shipping and haz mat, for a fraction of what gun broker is offering. Just recieved an alert email, package left Nashville at 10:30 PST heading for AZ. I never thought I would pay under $100 for a brick of primers ever agian.
 
Ben, is your tool coded such that when you add LRP, SPP, and LPP they will fall under the existing notification framework... i.e. a subscriber is a subscriber and you're simply extending the product set that is scanned for - subscribers will begin getting alerts for all four types?

Or are you creating four separate alerting frameworks, with separate subscriptions for each?

Sorry Jager, didn't see this last week.

The tool is coding so we can do everything separately.

Y'all will be able to pick exactly what types of primers you want to receive texts for, and will be able to change anytime.

So if Joe wants Just SRP and SPP that is all he will get, but if I wanted all 4 primers types, I could also get that.

Should be live by tomorrow night.
 
BR4, bench rest is over kill for the loads I build, but I ordered them, with shipping and haz mat, for a fraction of what gun broker is offering. Just recieved an alert email, package left Nashville at 10:30 PST heading for AZ. I never thought I would pay under $100 for a brick of primers ever agian.
Pretty wild isn't it.

This was my first reaction when I got the first text from the system in December.

I thought there was exactly 0 primers in the US, turns out they just sellout quick.
 
Very good, Ben. I suspected that was the direction you were heading.

You were looking for input on pricing... easiest thing would just be some kind of discount arrangement... a subscription to one primer type being the baseline cost, adding a second primer type would be discounted, a third primer type would get even more of a discount, and adding the fourth primer type would be nearly free.

I doubt you'd get many takers if you charge the full $14.95/month for each of the four primer types.

What I'd really suggest is that you give some thought to assessing the value of your subscription - and then base pricing upon that. What I would do is have your tool determine how long from the time an alert goes out before the subject web site again shows out-of-stock (or the website becomes unresponsive). I'd suggest something like 60 seconds is the absolute minimum for any kind of "value" to your customers. That's about the minimum time required if they see and respond instantly to your alert, are sitting there with their laptop fired up and a browser tab already open to the online store where the alert directs, they have an account already established at that online seller, have their credit card on file with that seller, and are logged into that account. In a perfect world, with all those stars aligned... you might be able to put product into your cart and check out in 60 seconds.

The challenge, of course, is that rarely have we seen those alerts from your system remain "hot" for an entire minute. Most times, it's been literal seconds before the web site either switches back to out-of-stock, or else becomes unresponsive. That's not at all your problem, of course - you're just reporting status... but it does illuminate that your tool has not, so far, generated a great amount of value for your most of your paying clients.

Please don't take any of this as a criticism. I admire and applaud your creativity in trying to help our little shooting community with these component shortages. I'm one of your charter subscribers with SRP. Having paid for two months... well, let's just say that at some point you have to weight the cost/benefit. I'll probably cancel before the next billing date. I'd be much more inclined to give it a longer go - the cost would be a whole lot easier to justify - if it were based upon actual opportunities to obtain product and less upon ephemeral hope.

However you decide to roll out the other three primer types, best of luck to you. And everyone here.
 
Very good, Ben. I suspected that was the direction you were heading.

You were looking for input on pricing... easiest thing would just be some kind of discount arrangement... a subscription to one primer type being the baseline cost, adding a second primer type would be discounted, a third primer type would get even more of a discount, and adding the fourth primer type would be nearly free.

I doubt you'd get many takers if you charge the full $14.95/month for each of the four primer types.

What I'd really suggest is that you give some thought to assessing the value of your subscription...

However you decide to roll out the other three primer types, best of luck to you. And everyone here.

I view it from this perspective:
I have seen a good number of the members onboard actually score primers, when good pings go out I usually get 5-10 texts or calls that people got them.

I would measure value in two ways:
1. Did we deliver the direct goal of the application? IE did we notify out members when primers are in stock.

With the exception of the rocky first month, I think more recently this has been a resounding yes.

2. Did PrimerPrimer provide its members with desired effect of subscribing.

We can break this into two groups, becuase I believe there are two different kinds of individuals subscribed.

Group A: "I cannot partake in my hobby because I cannot find primers (or a certain kind of primer) and I am running out."
For Group A, the desired effect would be to access to actually purchase primers, which I think PrimerPrimer, albeit certainly not perfect, provides real fighting chance at and for many does deliver.

Group B: "Regular priced primers are non existent and all I can find is gunbrokers primers"
For group B, the desired effect is simple. Save money.

And for that: Let's do some math:
Current gunbrokers price is around 35-40c per primer.
Meaning its roughly 350-400 per k.


PrimerPrimer does not ping any hyper inflated primers, only large store standard prices.
For this we can assume a primer would cost .6-.7c delivered to the door when purchased off a ping.
(More for BR4's but simple numbers for most other primers)

Let's say on average a person is buying 2k primers at this time, on the conservative end.

The price of the gunbrokers primers would be between $700 - $800 for the lot.
The price of primers purchased from a PrimerPrimer ping would be $120 - $140.

If the user was subscribed for even an entire year at $14.99 a month, he would still save $380 bucks on that 2k when buying from a PrimerPrimer ping rather than GB.

If he was to buy more primers, this difference would only increase, at 5k it is in over $1,000.


So that was quite a novel, but what I wanted to wrap up and say was I really feel for the cost I am charging I deliver the desired outcome, albeit probably not immediately, to the subscriber.

So with all that said, here is what I was thinking for the new pricing model with all primer options.
You pick either 1, 2, 3 or 4 primer notification types.

At 1 primer type, it is $14.99/m
at 2 it is $19.99/m (+$5.00)
at 3 it is $24.99/m (+$5.00)
at 4 it is $29.99/m (+$5.00)

I totally agree that it shouldnt be +14.99 for each subscription. That would be too rough, and unfair to those who like many calibers.

I was originally thinking $7 per expansion, but I really want to continue with the original goal of pricing it so anyone can join without having to think too hard about it.

I want your feedback.

Additionally for those founding members (onboard at the original 11.99) you will have access to whichever pings you would like for your existing rate. Thank you for your continued support. This would not have happened without you.

My goal is a pricepoint where users are not bothers by staying subscribed for an extend period of time, as it is needed to find success with how rare some of the pings are.
 
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I view it from this perspective:
I have seen a good number of the members onboard actually score primers, when good pings go out I usually get 5-10 texts or calls that people got them.

I would measure value in two ways:
1. Did we deliver the direct goal of the application? IE did we notify out members when primers are in stock.

With the exception of the rocky first month, I think more recently this has been a resounding yes.

2. Did PrimerPrimer provide its members with desired effect of subscribing.

We can break this into two groups, becuase I believe there are two different kinds of individuals subscribed.

Group A: "I cannot partake in my hobby because I cannot find primers (or a certain kind of primer) and I am running out."
For Group A, the desired effect would be to access to actually purchase primers, which I think PrimerPrimer, albeit certainly not perfect, provides real fighting chance at and for many does deliver.

Group B: "Regular priced primers are non existent and all I can find is gunbrokers primers"
For group B, the desired effect is simple. Save money.

And for that: Let's do some math:
Current gunbrokers price is around 35-40c per primer.
Meaning its roughly 350-400 per k.


PrimerPrimer does not ping any hyper inflated primers, only large store standard prices.
For this we can assume a primer would cost .6-.7c delivered to the door when purchased off a ping.
(More for BR4's but simple numbers for most other primers)

Let's say on average a person is buying 2k primers at this time, on the conservative end.

The price of the gunbrokers primers would be between $700 - $800 for the lot.
The price of primers purchased from a PrimerPrimer ping would be $120 - $140.

If the user was subscribed for even an entire year at $14.99 a month, he would still save $380 bucks on that 2k when buying from a PrimerPrimer ping rather than GB.

If he was to buy more primers, this difference would only increase, at 5k it is in over $1,000.


So that was quite a novel, but what I wanted to wrap up and say was I really feel for the cost I am charging I deliver the desired outcome, albeit probably not immediately, to the subscriber.

So with all that said, here is what I was thinking for the new pricing model with all primer options.
You pick either 1, 2, 3 or 4 primer notification types.

At 1 primer type, it is $14.99/m
at 2 it is $19.99/m (+$5.00)
at 3 it is $24.99/m (+$5.00)
at 4 it is $29.99/m (+$5.00)

I totally agree that it should be +14.99 for each subscription. That would be too rough, and unfair to those who like many calibers.

I was originally thinking $7 per expansion, but I really want to continue with the original goal of pricing it so anyone can join without having to think too hard about it.

I want your feedback.

Additionally for those founding members (onboard at the original 11.99) you will have access to whichever pings you would like for your existing rate. Thank you for your continued support. This would not have happened without you.

My goal is a pricepoint where users are not bothers by staying subscribed for an extend period of time, as it is needed to find success with how rare some of the pings are.
I am ok with the price structure, but then again I am biased, I was lucky enough to score some BR4's. I broke down the cost/value simular to the way you did. My one score will pay for the pricing structure for a couple years. And I think this scalping of primers will continue for years or forever if we vote in another anti 2nd president.
 
Midsouth keeps having these few second instock events, or its a website error.
It's there end, not mine.


Lets vote to keep looking on the list or remove them.

"Like" this message for keep them, and tolerate the pings, or "angry face" this message to remove them.
 
I agree that it's frustrating. All I can say is be patient... Using the PrimerPrimer service I've been able to get primers twice from Brownells and once from Midway. In all three instances, available stock sold out in less than one minute. These are frustrating times for sure, but I got to give PrimerPrimer a big thumbs up.
I can tolerate and understand a minute. Its a big country and so much demand. I struggle with 10 seconds. yesterday brownells and just moments ago midsouth. I'm a pavlovian dog. I'll bet I can grab my cell and tap the link quicker than Jerry Miculek can draw and fire...well ok not that fast but you get my point, and NOTHING. But like I said it is kind of fun.
 
I view it from this perspective:
I have seen a good number of the members onboard actually score primers, when good pings go out I usually get 5-10 texts or calls that people got them.

I would measure value in two ways:
1. Did we deliver the direct goal of the application? IE did we notify out members when primers are in stock.

With the exception of the rocky first month, I think more recently this has been a resounding yes.

2. Did PrimerPrimer provide its members with desired effect of subscribing.

We can break this into two groups, becuase I believe there are two different kinds of individuals subscribed.

Group A: "I cannot partake in my hobby because I cannot find primers (or a certain kind of primer) and I am running out."
For Group A, the desired effect would be to access to actually purchase primers, which I think PrimerPrimer, albeit certainly not perfect, provides real fighting chance at and for many does deliver.

Group B: "Regular priced primers are non existent and all I can find is gunbrokers primers"
For group B, the desired effect is simple. Save money.

And for that: Let's do some math:
Current gunbrokers price is around 35-40c per primer.
Meaning its roughly 350-400 per k.


PrimerPrimer does not ping any hyper inflated primers, only large store standard prices.
For this we can assume a primer would cost .6-.7c delivered to the door when purchased off a ping.
(More for BR4's but simple numbers for most other primers)

Let's say on average a person is buying 2k primers at this time, on the conservative end.

The price of the gunbrokers primers would be between $700 - $800 for the lot.
The price of primers purchased from a PrimerPrimer ping would be $120 - $140.

If the user was subscribed for even an entire year at $14.99 a month, he would still save $380 bucks on that 2k when buying from a PrimerPrimer ping rather than GB.

If he was to buy more primers, this difference would only increase, at 5k it is in over $1,000.


So that was quite a novel, but what I wanted to wrap up and say was I really feel for the cost I am charging I deliver the desired outcome, albeit probably not immediately, to the subscriber.

So with all that said, here is what I was thinking for the new pricing model with all primer options.
You pick either 1, 2, 3 or 4 primer notification types.

At 1 primer type, it is $14.99/m
at 2 it is $19.99/m (+$5.00)
at 3 it is $24.99/m (+$5.00)
at 4 it is $29.99/m (+$5.00)

I totally agree that it shouldnt be +14.99 for each subscription. That would be too rough, and unfair to those who like many calibers.

I was originally thinking $7 per expansion, but I really want to continue with the original goal of pricing it so anyone can join without having to think too hard about it.

I want your feedback.

Additionally for those founding members (onboard at the original 11.99) you will have access to whichever pings you would like for your existing rate. Thank you for your continued support. This would not have happened without you.

My goal is a pricepoint where users are not bothers by staying subscribed for an extend period of time, as it is needed to find success with how rare some of the pings are.
I can't say it's not fair, at least for a while. You're providing the service I certainly don't have to partake of it. I can think of many things I WASTE 25.00 a month on so I'd pay that for 1-2 choices. I do however have my own mental price point for the primer itself, that is really what has me playing. I will NOT pay over 100.00 a brick. So if the market gets to where that is the basement I would not be buying then and would not need the service. Everyone asking hundreds upon hundreds a brick I hope karma finds you.
 
Small Pistol, Large Pistol, Large Rifle and a new "my account" system are going live tomorrow.

Just finished all the edits to the website, scrapers are not live yet.

You will need to cancel you existing subscription with the SRP product and open a new one with the new "Multi ping" product I made.

Two huge things:

1. you an select any combination of primer types to receive pings for.
So SPP + LRP
or SPP, LRP, and LPP

2. you can switch between subscription types at any point without recreating the subscription.
Lets say you only had one SPP caliber you loaded, you could select SPP, LRP and LPP

but once you get the SPP you need, you can lower you subscription to only LRP and LPP

All just from the account page :)

I'll send out an email tomorrow morning with how to change you subscription to the new product, pick primer type, switch what notifications you want and all. Founding members will also get details on how to keep you existing price.
 

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