New IBS legal brake

[Alex Wheeler]

I have used a lot of brakes from muzzle brakes n more for hunting rifles and elr rifles. I feel like they are as effective as there is and the quality is top notch. Very square and consistent. I asked Nathan about making us a brake thats IBS legal and heres what he came up with. @Stan Taylor has been shooting one on a 300 WSM and reported thats its more effective than a radial, which was the main goal. Pictured is a 1.360" MBM next to a 1.5" Harrell's. He will be coming up with one where the ports are in a radial pattern so it wont have to be timed.

 

[sdean]

Thanks for sharing.

 

[ttfreestyle]

I would like to try the radial pattern when he gets them done, pretty cool.

 

[Stan Taylor]

Well so far this brake has been very effective ,and yes by the IBS rule book under brakes it is legal, but I was just informed that it is up to the range that I shoot at, whether I would be able to use it that sure is a bummer.
P.S. I did see it's not welcome at the 600 yd range in St. Louis IBS 600 yd matches doesn't matter though,it's to far for me to go,I just hope my local ranges doesn't follow suite.

 

[6BRAckley]

Well so far this brake has been very effective ,and yes by the IBS rule book under brakes it is legal, but I was just informed that it is up to the range that I shoot at, whether I would be able to use it that sure is a bummer.
P.S. I did see it's not welcome at the 600 yd range in St. Louis IBS 600 yd matches doesn't matter though,it's to far for me to go,I just hope my local ranges doesn't follow suite.

Looks good, Stan. I’m curious why it isn’t welcome in St. Louis if it meets the IBS rule requirements?

JP

 

[Stan Taylor]

Looks good, Stan. I’m curious why it isn’t welcome in St. Louis if it meets the IBS rule requirements?



JP

Well honestly it don't make any sense to me, to, have a rule in the books but yet,a range official can dictate that you can shoot it or not,it primarily comes because somebody has bitched about shooting beside someone, that has that style break that's the whole problem in shooting somebody's always going to whine.

 

[jimmymac]

If it’s legal it is legal. I can also see the other side of the coin where many competitors sitting on the next bench wouldn’t be happy about it. It’s a polarizing subject.

 

[DaveTooley]

Radial brakes are more effective if they have an internal expansion chamber vs a slightly over size hole.

 

[johara1]

Well honestly it don't make any sense to me, to, have a rule in the books but yet,a range official can dictate that you can shoot it or not,it primarily comes because somebody has bitched about shooting beside someone, that has that style break that's the whole problem in shooting somebody's always going to whine.

Stanley I remember voting on the muzzles didn't have to be over the end of the bench.... now it's up to the club, I remember voting to let more than one club to use a range that past by 2/3 margin, now you are complaining you may not be able to use a muzzle brake? it is up to the club?Why not put a rule in that if your brake you use moves the persons gun beside you, you are illegal for interfering with them.... BTW that is very similar to the brake that blew your mirage shield off at HJ. two benches down from it..... jim

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

Stanley I remember voting on the muzzles didn't have to be over the end of the bench.... now it's up to the club, I remember voting to let more than one club to use a range that past by 2/3 margin, now you are complaining you may not be able to use a muzzle brake? it is up to the club?Why not put a rule in that if your brake you use moves the persons gun beside you, you are illegal for interfering with them.... BTW that is very similar to the brake that blew your mirage shield off at HJ. two benches down from it...

Here We Go Again........ More Complaining about Muzzle Brakes.

 

[ridgeway]

Here We Go Again........ More Complaining about Muzzle Brakes.

He's not the only one that don't like sitting beside them. Especially when benches are close...

 

[CaptainMal]

No big deal if you are prepared. I have had to rule on IBS legal muzzle brakes many times. Mostly doing an examination and ruling because of complaints - many justified.

The brakes with the large slots, though legal, do seem to blast way more than the ones like Alex shows (Harrels') or others like RAS brakes with the smaller, multiple holes. Add on a larger cartridge than the BR ones and you do get some rather severe blast - legal brake or not.

The current IBS 600 champion, Steve Hoskins, uses a legal brake on his 284. I shot next to him a couple years ago and found a simple solution to the blast. When he was done shooting, I started. Worked out fine as his blast was flat out "jarring". Others with large caliber rifles and brakes cause a variation of the same thing.

There is a simple solution I have used and it sure makes things easier. Dividers.

We made dividers at Manatee so we could shoot at Manatee last year during the mandatory virus separation distance. Since then, though we do not need them now, they are still useful. I have put one up where there is an obvious muzzle blast problem, complaints or not.

They work.

 

[ridgeway]

The current IBS 600 champion, Steve Hoskins, uses a legal brake on his 284. I shot next to him a couple years ago and found a simple solution to the blast. When he was done shooting, I started. Worked out fine as his blast was flat out "jarring". Others with large caliber rifles and brakes cause a variation of the same thing.

That's far from a simple solution for sure.

The blast shields are a better idea...

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

He's not the only one that don't like sitting beside them. Especially when benches are close...

All that I'll say is those that are bothered by them wouldn't make it shooting in the "50 World" where every gun has a brake. -

Seems every post regarding muzzle-brakes that comes up in a "competition venue" there is the same old rants and complaining.

 

[jimmymac]

Seems every post regarding muzzle-brakes that comes up in a "competition venue" there is the same old rants and complaining.

I'd ask, how come when someone says they don't like to shoot next to braked rifles it is considered complaining? For me personally, it sucks shooting next to someone who's hammering away with a braked rifle. That's not complaining. It's just reality because it detracts from what I'm trying to do which is shoot small groups. I have no control over it so it is what it is, but I don't have to like it. I'm thankful that I only have to deal with it intermittently at my local range and not at the SR matches I like to shoot.

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

I'd ask, how come when someone says they don't like to shoot next to braked rifles it is considered complaining? For me personally, it sucks shooting next to someone who's hammering away with a braked rifle. That's not complaining. It's just reality because it detracts from what I'm trying to do which is shoot small groups. I have no control over it so it is what it is, but I don't don't have to like it. I'm thankful that I only have to deal with it intermittently at my local range and not at the SR matches I like to shoot.

Because it IS Complaining Jim, - Pure & Simple - Nothing More, Nothing Less. - When I shoot a match & there is a gun next to me that has a brake on his gun, I have a quick, short & polite conversation prior to shooting the relay. - There is plenty of time for both shooters to get their rounds down to the record target.
And Yes, the blast shields are definitely helpful. - Nothing that a guy could put together & have with him, made out of a couple pieces of 3/8" plywood and a couple 90 degree angle brackets & be C-clamped to the bench.

 

[jimmymac]

Because it IS Complaining Jim, - Pure & Simple - Nothing More, Nothing Less. - When I shoot a match & there is a gun next to me that has a brake on his gun, I have a quick, short & polite conversation prior to shooting the relay. - There is plenty of time for both shooters to get their rounds down to the record target.
And Yes, the blast shields are definitely helpful. - Nothing that a guy could put together & have with him, made out of a couple pieces of 3/8" plywood and a couple 90 degree angle brackets & be C-clamped to the bench.

That's your opinion Ron. I'm allowed to have one too. There is a difference between having an opinion and complaining. We all have opinions about all sorts of stuff. If every time your opinion and my opinion doesn't line up does that mean I'm complaining? I think not. I'll defer from future posts on this matter. I hope you have an enjoyable shooting season Ron.

 

[ridgeway]

All that I'll say is those that are bothered by them wouldn't make it shooting in the "50 World" where every gun has a brake. -

Seems every post regarding muzzle-brakes that comes up in a "competition venue" there is the same old rants and complaining.

This is not even remotely related to 50 cals. Me personally have zero interest in 50's. It's cool and all and nothing against them. This is about IBS 1K BR and brakes.

I enjoy 1k BR shooting my little Itty bitty 6. I don't enjoy sitting beside a 30 with brakes. I tolerate it and have my ways of dealing with it. I don't complain to match directors about it. I concentrate on myself and shoot my best.

 

[dkhunt14]

No big deal if you are prepared. I have had to rule on IBS legal muzzle brakes many times. Mostly doing an examination and ruling because of complaints - many justified.

The brakes with the large slots, though legal, do seem to blast way more than the ones like Alex shows (Harrels') or others like RAS brakes with the smaller, multiple holes. Add on a larger cartridge than the BR ones and you do get some rather severe blast - legal brake or not.

The current IBS 600 champion, Steve Hoskins, uses a legal brake on his 284. I shot next to him a couple years ago and found a simple solution to the blast. When he was done shooting, I started. Worked out fine as his blast was flat out "jarring". Others with large caliber rifles and brakes cause a variation of the same thing.

There is a simple solution I have used and it sure makes things easier. Dividers.

We made dividers at Manatee so we could shoot at Manatee last year during the mandatory virus separation distance. Since then, though we do not need them now, they are still useful. I have put one up where there is an obvious muzzle blast problem, complaints or not.

They work.

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Looks to me that being left handed would be a problem. Matt

 

[LA50SHOOTER]

If every time your opinion and my opinion doesn't line up does that mean I'm complaining?

No Jim, - It simply means we don't agree.

The topic of muzzle-brakes on this forum has been beat to smithereens is my point.
So, what can we do about the "legal muzzle brake" seems to me to be a topic with merit.

The shields are a move in the right direction IMO and having a quick 30 second conversation with each other so that we keep things in perspective & allow our fellow competitors a fair chance to shoot undisturbed during the relay.