Does anyone know off hand the tennon OD and thread pitch used on the MRC 1999 action ? I bought an older one and had a smith put a barrel on it. I had it sent straight to the smith so I never saw it before it was barreled and when it arrived I was pretty much horrified at the fit and finish ! I'm thinking of pulling the brand new barrel and putting it on something else. Trying to figure out my options at this point. I will never use the smith again for not letting me know it was so rough and just slapping the barrel on it.
Montana 1999 tennon OD and thread pitch ?
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Dusty Stevens
Shiner
So, you ordered an action known for its finish, sent it to a gunsmith to fit a barrel (which he did) and now youll never use him again because he didnt call you and run down your action and talk bad about it? Maybe he thought you already knew and wanted it anyway- i mean people still buy em so how would he know?
Can you define fit and finish please? Actions can be polished and blued or finished by various means. Fit may or may not be a different thing altogether. Is it sloppy? Is the timing off? What doesn't fit?
Builds usually require lots of work. At least they do for me. If you are looking for a showpiece it will require lots of work and there are lots of people capable of top quality work, it only requires money and patience.
Joe
Builds usually require lots of work. At least they do for me. If you are looking for a showpiece it will require lots of work and there are lots of people capable of top quality work, it only requires money and patience.
Joe
It sounds so like the work the smith did was good if you want to remove the barrel and re use it . If the action is crappy ,that was up to you to determine if usable . Sometimes I got receivers that look like junk but are true and sound . The owner isn't into pretty , he's a serious competitor . He shoots not shines . If it's not what you want , please don't trash the smith , it sounds like he did what you asked , only if it shoots well .
Gary , in South Florida
Gary , in South Florida
The barrel and cone inside of the action do not line up and appear to be offset .02" and that matches the the difference on the outside where there is .02" difference from outside of the action to the barrel on opposite sides. It would appear that the action is drilled and threaded crooked by a large amount. I've tried to take pictures but I have been unsuccessful in getting anything that you can make out. To say that the cast finish on the cone is rough is an understatement. What the person who sold it to me was aware of I don't know and I have not said anything about him. The smith however should have spotted the issues and informed me so I could have made the decision whether to barrel the action or what remediation was needed. I haven't gone into the chatter marks in the fluting that was supposedly done by the barrel maker but since I relied upon the smith to source the barrel I'm not sure if it is even the barrel and maker I requested. I had the action sent directly to the smith and never laid eyes on it until it arrived. I will always order my own barrel from now on and use a smith with a long solid reputation. It appears that the action is new and had never been barreled by machining marks. I'll be hunting up near Kalispell Montana next fall and I plan to take the action to them personally and see what they have to say about their workmanship. I swear I think I could have cut it straighter freehand ! Then there is the lettering on the side of the action that is stamped and the micro cracks around the letters that have darkened. I've polished most of that out but it is cheap looking. I have seen and handled later manufacture MRC rifles and they are nothing like this. I'm going to examine the barrel closely and If I can gain any confidence that it's a quality barrel I'll pull it and see if I can get the flutes cleaned up and put it on another action. Either way It's mine so l'm going to make the best of it.
shortgrass
Silver $$ Contributor
I'd not wait 'till ext year to "take it to them personally". Come monday morning I'd call and respectfully explain the problems. They just might do something about it. If it's a 'used' action I'd be contacting the guy that sold it to me. Personally, thats what I think I'd do before posting about my problems on the web.
Maybe I will call them Monday. If they warranty their products to be free from defects then they may. I don't know that the person who sold me the action had any knowledge of the misalignment or rough interior finish and I've had it for months and a smith has barreled it now so I don't feel I can go back to him. As for trashing the smith I feel quite justified in never trusting him again. The barrel alone is enough. I fronted the money for him to order the barrel and I get a different contour and the flutes are messed up.The contour is kind of close but not what I asked for. I haven't really tried but with my dealings so far I'm pretty sure that it's a dead end and not worth the effort. My guess is he tried to flute a barrel he had on hand and messed it up but sent it to me anyway. I have no idea what the barrel make is and I certainly don't trust anything he would tell me to be the truth. I simply asked for the tennon dimensions and vented a little frustration in my OP. I'm just figuring out how to salvage what I can and how to move on. The "don't trash the smith" posters have no idea what they are talking about and I haven't even posted the smiths name. I'm sure if you stalk me around the Internet you could figure it out but what's the point. We all have better things to do. I'll eventually get both the complete used 1999 I bought where I want it and this "new" action either straight or put it on my disaster shelf with a couple other disasters to remind me of what not to do ever again.
I agree with the other posters; not the smith's fault that you are unhappy with the action you sent him. It's like having a car blindly shipped to an engine builder then getting pissed off when it shows up in your hands as a rusty piece of crap with a new engine. Not his problem, he put a new motor in the car that was sent to him.
Seems to me that you should accept responsibility for cutting corners by purchasing second hand an action sight unseen and having work done to it. Post some pictures; such a horrific action should be easy to photograph.
Seems to me that you should accept responsibility for cutting corners by purchasing second hand an action sight unseen and having work done to it. Post some pictures; such a horrific action should be easy to photograph.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=258
There will be pictures here- no different from any ive ever heard of or seen
There will be pictures here- no different from any ive ever heard of or seen
Dusty Stevens said:
If this is a response to my post, I was looking for the horrible defects he's claiming the smith should have called him about. I've seen these actions; a local smith actually manufactured some of these for MRC.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Sorry but I'm not a photographer. That's not just swirls in the finish in the groove. There is rased undulations the whole lenght of the groove. The miss alignment of the chamber and the forcing cone is obvious. Using the depth end of my Brown and Sharpe calipers I get a max difference of .019" on the outside of the the action that corresponds to what you can see inside in the picture. Held the .019" gap up in front of the breach and looks about the same as the exposed barrel end. I haven't figured out how to get inside and measure but it doesn't matter as it is plain to the naked eye that it doesn't line up. I would think a smith chambering and installing a barrel would catch that , not proceed , and give me a call.
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