Molly coated bullets???

[Siiri]

Hey,

Today I received some molly coated bullets and was wondering if there was any special cleaning procedure when using them???

Thanks!
Siiri

 

[lelongcarabine]

Been shooting moly coated bullets for many years. You have to thoroughly clean and oil your rifle bore before storing, especially in a humid climate. You must wipe the bore dry, degrease(remove the oil) the bore and season with a patch powdered with molybdenum disulfide before shooting, to get a good cold bore shot. The bullets shoot great. However, they are not ideal for all applications. There several good discussions on coating/coated bullets in this forum. Hope this helps. Greg
http://www.6mmbr.com/normamoly.html

http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletcoating.html

http://www.6mmbr.com/medlermoly.html

 

[jonbearman]

Part of the moly fouling is the illusion that you dont have to clean your barrel. I read it several places that it became less necessary to do this because it protected the barrel. The biggest part or misconception is overapplication of moly itself. I cant say who did this,but there were only a few upscale companys that applied it properly. Over application causes way to much residue left in the barrel and after repeated firings it compacted it to a hard flakey substance and welded itself to the barrel. The only way to really get it out is use of jb bore paste or similar product. I have used it for years and clean after each firing as usual. I dont know who started the rumor that you dont clean your barrel because there is still carbon left behind. If you clean your barrel with a little jb or similar product you wont have any problem. I have no copper fouling with factory barrels and dont use it for competition barrels as mine dont copper bad enough to bother.

 

[Catfish]

I ruined a barrel with Molly build up and will never use the stuff again. They tell you in their adds that you need more powder to get the same velocity, and that it does nothing for your accuracy. I find it far easier to clean copper from a barrel than Molly.

 

[alf]

I ruined a barrel with Molly build up

Tell me more........

 

[5spd]

Ive been using moly in my varmint rigs since the 1980s. I have never had moly "ruin" a bbl. or ever ran into another user that has either. When I see that with NO proof or explaination of why then its another moly farce & most likey the users fault in the end. There is way to much mis-information on Moly in firearms and one has to keep an open mind.
I never had an issue with cleaning them & its not that much more involved than anything else.
I usually run over 500 rounds before cleaning on my p-dog shoots & more sometimes and have yet to have a problem with accuracy, but then again I am not looking to shoot everything into one hole since I am just popping varmints.
I use Wipe Out liquids and foam to clean my moly use barrels.
One day was 569 rounds p-dogging, took it to the range the following week and put 5 shots into .840" @ 100 yds so there is a lot of BS about moly. You use it or you dont. I wont say its for everyone either. I wont say its a perfect product, but it has worked for me all this time with zero issues.
That said I do not moly any of my hunting loads as they are not for massive rounds of steady firing & I do not want moly in anything I am going to eat.
I use my borscope after every cleaning in my moly use guns, bores are still perfect. It will not prevent throat erosion or realted chamber problems that grow over time.

 

[hedditch]

I have had the same experience as 5spd. I won't shoot my rifles without my coated Danzac bullets which I coat myself. I can go 500 rds without cleaning on a dog shoot and come back to the range and shoot the same size grps as before I left but I do shoot for one hole. Why? Light wind conditions, I will shoot for the head out to 200 yds. Gets harder as the wind picks up so I then go to the body.

 

[WyleWD]

One day was 569 rounds p-dogging, took it to the range the following week and put 5 shots into .840" @ 100 yds so there is a lot of BS about moly.

Man o man I'd liked to have been along on that trip. 569 rounds out of one rifle in one day. Whew. What caliber were you shooting there? Gosh that's almost One shot per minute for almost 10 hours. Good shootin there bud. WD

 

[bozo699]

One day was 569 rounds p-dogging, took it to the range the following week and put 5 shots into .840" @ 100 yds so there is a lot of BS about moly.

Man o man I'd liked to have been along on that trip. 569 rounds out of one rifle in one day. Whew. What caliber were you shooting there? Gosh that's almost One shot per minute for almost 10 hours. Good shootin there bud. WD

That is one hell of a dog town I want to go as well, I never get that lucky.

Siiri,
I have used Moly for years with no ill effects, I have been shooting one gun for my two day shoots, usually right at one hundred rounds with out cleaning and no loss in accuracy, I don't ever have any trouble cleaning the rifle, I don't worry about getting all the moly out as a matter of a fact why would you want it all out if your just going to put more back in it? As long as long as the copper and carbon is out who cares about a little molly that is caught in the corners of the lands, leave it there! As far as hunting with it,... why not? the wound channel is full of hair, bone, bloodshot and whatnot, it is always cut out anyway so if a very small amount of moly is left behind who cares, it's cut out anyways. I bought a small bottle of moly from sinclair and have done thousands upon thousands of bullets with just one bottle of it, so cost is of little concern. I feel for me the advantages are many and the disadvantages are few, I wouldn't try shooting 600 rounds without cleaning as it doesn't prevent carbon build up but 100 rounds has been no problem. Siiri the way I see it is get a bore scope ( borrow one ) and shoot until your accuracy drops off, keep records of exactly how many rounds then clean, use the bore scope and record how long and what method it took to get the barrel clean, then do the exact same test with moly coated bullets, then tell us your findings.
Wayne.

 

[Beau]

I have a 223 Remington rifle that I shot moly coated bullets in for a couple of years; it’s an Interarms Mark X Mini Mauser, with the factory carbon steel barrel. .....

Recently, I decided to clean it down to bare metal. Well, after a couple of weeks using every solvent and abrasive compound at my disposal, the bore remains fouled. Patches continue coming out black or dark grey after solvent soaking and brushing. For example, I can saturate the bore with Hoppe’s #9 cut with Kroil and leave the gun barrel down over night on a paper towel. The next morning there is a black spot where the muzzle was placed on the paper towel, no blue or green, just black. My lessons learned are that it’s a mistake to not clean regularly when using moly coated bullets and that it’s much easier to remove copper and carbon fouling than to remove built up moly fouling.

LE Hanson

LOL! Those Mini Mauser's sure are foulers! If it's any consolation, I've never been able to get mine completely clean either, and it only shoots plain bullets.

If you want to remove Moly, use spray Brake Cleaner.

But, you never want to totally clean a barrel that is shooting moly bullets. IME, it takes more than a couple shots for a totally clean barrel stripped of moly to settle back down. It needs that coating to stabilize before it starts shooting again. Once it is stabilized, only clean it with Kroil & JB.

 

[BOBC]

I shoot moly coated bullets in my 222Rem with no moly build up.
Maybe because I'm using just moly without the wax. It may be the moly/wax which is causing the build up. The wax may be the problem and not the moly.

 

[alf]

You guys with a "moly build up" have a bore scope?

 

[alf]

I guess my point is I've shot moly religiously since Neco patented the process. The way I understand it, is moly cannot build up on itself, hence my question on "build up". I've yet to see anything in the bore that even remotely resembles it, even after several hundred rounds w/o cleaning.

The patented process is to impact plate the moly, not to be sprayed, dipped, coated, etc. People that report having a "problem" should divulge exactly their method of application first, rather than blaming the moly as a catch all.

I bought a used 223 from a store that the previous owner evidently shot moly coated bullets of some sort. I tried everything under the sun to get that barrel clean, but it would always leave black on the patches. In all the years of shooting moly I've never seen anything like it using properly plated bullets.

 

[bozo699]

I guess my point is I've shot moly religiously since Neco patented the process. The way I understand it, is moly cannot build up on itself, hence my question on "build up". I've yet to see anything in the bore that even remotely resembles it, even after several hundred rounds w/o cleaning.

The patented process is to impact plate the moly, not to be sprayed, dipped, coated, etc. People that report having a "problem" should divulge exactly their method of application first, rather than blaming the moly as a catch all.

I bought a used 223 from a store that the previous owner evidently shot moly coated bullets of some sort. I tried everything under the sun to get that barrel clean, but it would always leave black on the patches. In all the years of shooting moly I've never seen anything like it using properly plated bullets.

Alf,
I have not had any problems with moly coated bullets even back in the day of miss moly a spray on moly. I now use Molybdenum disulfide in a tumbler full of ceramic beads, after coating the bullets I remove and wipe the excess off with a towel, I do not wax them any more.
How do you do yours Alf?
Wayne.

 

[hawghunter]

Wayne,
In stead of wiping them off i put them in blue shop towels 50 to 60 in a bunch and tumble for about 5 min to 10 min and do it twice it polish them up nice give it a try. ps i use a difference drum to polish them in.

 

[bozo699]

Wayne,
In stead of wiping them off i put them in blue shop towels 50 to 60 in a bunch and tumble for about 5 min to 10 min and do it twice it polish them up nice give it a try. ps i use a difference drum to polish them in.

hawghunter,
My moly tumbler is a dedicated tumbler for moly only so I will try your blue shop towel method in one of my other tumblers, I am always looking for ways to improve my shooting and reloading methods, so thank you.
Wayne.

 

[alf]

Wayne,

Mine are done in a vibratory tumbler with the Neco S/S balls and Lyman moly. I degrease with Dawn and hot water, strain 'em, lay them on a towel, dry them with a blow dryer, and dump them in the tumbler with a dab of moly, and run 'em for an hour and a half. Strain them to separate, and dump 'em in a large towel, and run them back and forth a couple dozen times or three til they're shiny. I don't wax either.

Al

 

[bozo699]

Wayne,

Mine are done in a vibratory tumbler with the Neco S/S balls and Lyman moly. I degrease with Dawn and hot water, strain 'em, lay them on a towel, dry them with a blow dryer, and dump them in the tumbler with a dab of moly, and run 'em for an hour and a half. Strain them to separate, and dump 'em in a large towel, and run them back and forth a couple dozen times or three til they're shiny. I don't wax either.

Al

Al,
I forgot to mention I degrease before applying the moly so I guess our procedure is almost identical, thanks for letting me know how you do yours.
Wayne.

 

[1000yardstare]

+1 on spray brake cleaner. That stuff will clean anything out of anything. Don`t use it indoors. Don`t get it on the finish of a wooden stock or any plastic part. Siiri........you can buy it at Canadian Tire.

I have tried moly bullets in different rifles and they never gave me the same tight accuracy as naked bullets. But that was just in my rifles. Others may have the reverse experience.

Whenever I decided to stop using moly I gave the bore a thorough cleaning with brake cleaner and had no subsequent problem with naked accuracy.

Now and then I see some moly bullets at an F Class practise. But at the Eastern Canadian F Class Championships July 1 weekend and the Ontario Championships Aug 12 weekend I looked at as many loads as I could and did not see any moly bullets.

Whenever Palma shooters shoot alongside F Class in practise or competition I have never seen them use moly bullets.

Bill

 

[5spd]

One day was 569 rounds p-dogging, took it to the range the following week and put 5 shots into .840" @ 100 yds so there is a lot of BS about moly.

Man o man I'd liked to have been along on that trip. 569 rounds out of one rifle in one day. Whew. What caliber were you shooting there? Gosh that's almost One shot per minute for almost 10 hours. Good shootin there bud. WD

Its on a very large private ranch that only 6 guys shoot on and he wont let any of us bring friends or we wont ever be allowed back & none of us have shot at the same time. 6+ miles of towns that are hardly shot & when they are it has no major effect on them running for cover. I start at 530 am & go till 7pm most times. Savage FP10 & 12FV are the guns. My average day runs a tad closer at 350-400 rounds. When moving to another valley its nothing but rapid shooting and very hot bbls. This is why I run 8k-10k rounds a year & use moly in them.
Back to moly...I see no moly "build up" in my bores with my borescope before my cleanings, yes its a bit dark & dirty, but the grooves are fairly clean overall.
I follow up with brake cleaner as someone brought up above & it does bust the bore out pretty good in the field.
My moly tumbler is dedicated to just doing that. If I ever run out of moly I will give the other stuff a try.