Medical Marijuana Card Holders/Firearms Purchases -- Nadda

[jds holler]

Haven't seen much about this on the forums. More "one notch at a time" BS?? jd

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-court-upholds-ban-gun-sales-marijuana-card-41778814

 

[dragman]

It's like what the government is doing with Healthcare and veterans. They bait you in asking "well do you have guns" then use something else to take that you rights away.

 

[jds holler]

Yeah, I'm thinkin this has nothing to do with marijuana, and everything to do with gun rights. jd

 

[dickn52]

Not sure, since this is an intoxicant like alcohol, which we know don't mix with firearms.

 

[XTR]

From the 4473 that you have to complete to purchase a firearm.

e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?​

Medical MJ is a state allowance. MJ use it still illegal under federal law so having a MMJ card documents that you have intent to, if not actually violated federal law.


Sorry, but it makes sense to me.

 

[Chief 101]

It's like what the government is doing with Healthcare and veterans. They bait you in asking "well do you have guns" then use something else to take that you rights away.

I would like to know what the issue you have with the VA is...I get taken care of by the VA and consider them second to none, so I would like to know what to look for...

 

[Comrade Terry]

I would like to know what the issue you have with the VA is...I get taken care of by the VA and consider them second to none, so I would like to know what to look for...

I can't speak for Dragman, Chief, but some of us have had very different experiences with the VA than you have.

 

[rardoin]

Marijuana is an illegal drug at the federal level. Illegal drug use is cause for denial for firearm purchases. This has been that way for quite some time. The state marijuana laws are trumped by federal jurisdiction in matters concerning firearms. I see no attempt to limit legitimate firearms purchases here...just following laws that preceded the relatively new state mary jane laws....and no, I am not a liberal; I am a conservative when it comes to matters concerning our God given rights. This is one instance that I think is reasonable because it follows jurisprudence. I would have no issue with MM users obtaining a legal firearm if the Feds decriminalized marijuana use.

 

[JRS]

You can also legally be denied employment if using MM.

Sounds like she answered yes to the question on the 4473, which she would have to via the ATF ruling on MM cards (a MM card establishes addiction). That yes, will result in a no purchase.

 

[gotcha]

Just another example of an activist sporting "victim" mentality. Federal law trumps state law, always has. Actions require responsibility but this lady thinks she should be given a "get out of jail free card". There is a distinct possibility that this "victim" has as many ulterior motives as the Judges may have. The ruling was fair. JMHO

 

[Chief 101]

I can't speak for Dragman, Chief, but some of us have had very different experiences with the VA than you have.

I hear vets whining at the facility I visit, I can only assume they never depended on a public hospital...but then what do I know, everybody is hush about their real problems with the VA

I can't speak for Dragman, Chief, but some of us have had very different experiences with the VA than you have.

I can't fault you for your experiences or opinions but having been in both civilian an VA facilities, I choose VA 6 to 1 over the civilian facilities...I can't speak on the marijuana issue as I don't need it...

 

[XTR]

Pretty sure that MMJ card isn't going to get you past the gate if you have to comply with 10CFR26 either.

And I agree with the statement above, the rule is not new. If you break the rule pay the piper. I personally don't have any problem with changing the rules re: MJ, but until it happens it is the rule. That said, there will have to be a testing standard like their is for alcohol before it will be ok for those in certain professions to use.

I remember the crash on the flight deck when the USN investigated and found a large percentage of the flight deck crew were stoned, and I know guys who were working in the power plants before 10CFR26. We don't want to go back there. Counting on people not to be stupid is not a functional safety plan.

 

[dragman]

I would like to know what the issue you have with the VA is...I get taken care of by the VA and consider them second to none, so I would like to know what to look for...

I will remain vague I know a guy..... a PTSD case turned into being questioned about gun ownership

 

[rvn1968]

I get good service from the VA on some issues but not others. I have spine problems that can only be controlled with opioids and that ain't happening at the VA. My skin cancer is treated very well at the VA but my terminal lung cancer gets civilian treatment. Also I always have a $50 copay at the VA but nothing at a civilian facility.

 

[rvn1968]

I get good service from the VA on some issues but not others. I have spine problems that can only be controlled with opioids and that ain't happening at the VA. My skin cancer is treated very well at the VA but my terminal lung cancer gets civilian treatment. Also I always have a $50 copay at the VA but nothing at a civilian facility.

Thanks to the above problems,there is about to be a large firearm and reloading equip sale.

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

there are going to be an awful lot of unhappy dopers shortly.
I expect Phase II will be ATF agents visiting their homes with warrants; search and perhaps arrest if any firearms are found.

 

[XTR]

there are going to be an awful lot of unhappy dopers shortly.
I expect Phase II will be ATF agents visiting their homes with warrants; search and perhaps arrest if any firearms are found.

California might, but I seriously doubt the Feds will. Congress passed a bill that was intended to stop prosecution of people associated with the MMJ movement, but it didn't turn out that way because the DOJ doesn't read it the same way. I don't think there is a law that ties owning a firearm and possession of weed as related crimes. You just can't buy one.

I don't see this as a conspiracy, and if you read the article, the woman was denied a purchase in NV. With out reading the court docs I'm going to guess she answered yes, or started asking questions when she got to that part of the 4473. I don't think the Feds have a MMJ card database.

 

[Steve Blair]

Pretty sure that MMJ card isn't going to get you past the gate if you have to comply with 10CFR26 either.

Exactly right. Also applies to those of us administering HIPAA data, work requiring security clearances or many other sensitive positions.

 

[CJ6]

From the 4473 that you have to complete to purchase a firearm.

e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?​

Medical MJ is a state allowance. MJ use it still illegal under federal law so having a MMJ card documents that you have intent to, if not actually violated federal law.


Sorry, but it makes sense to me.

Gotta agree with it the way it's written.

 

[Chief 101]

I can't speak for Dragman, Chief, but some of us have had very different experiences with the VA than you have.

I am very sorry that you and some others have had bad experiences at the VA...you might want to try Obamacare which by the way has hindered(added a ton of 'redtape') the care at the VA substantially...sorry for your health issues...