mausingfield action?
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butchlambert
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I don't understand your post. For what it is designed for?? What is it designed for, a dangerous game rifle? I don't understand your point on the Remington clone statement. Yeah there are several Remington clones out there. I didn't see anybody disputing that. What real advantage does the mouserfeld receiver have over, say a Shilen? Only advantage is CRF and how does that help if you ain't dodging a cape buffalo. The Shilen as I mentioned before uses the same Savage style barrel attachment and floating bolt nose with a much less expensive price.
Dusty Stevens
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I think he shoulda designed it for an accutrigger. Cant you imagine the meetings before construction- " all these new designs proven in competition- im sick of em! We're gonna incorporate all the forgotten ones into one platform.. Springfield, mauser.. Call it a mousingfield"
Clearly it wasn't designed for benchrest or target shooting; it's oriented towards the "tactical" and "PRS" match crowed where CRF is more likely to be advantageous. I think the biggest advantage of the CRF is more the size and durability of the extractor claw and the use of an action mounted blade for an ejector vs a spring loaded plunger. I personally like the Shilen, although I think the Bighorn is nicer.
Tell us, what is disadvantagous about the CRF or any of the other features besides the price? It seems you haven't presented any arguments other than price against any features of the action. These actions are being swallowed up right now, so apparently they are priced at a level in which people are willing to pay.
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If one takes a good look at a Remington 700 action, it is very simple! I do believe a "good machinist" could make one fairly easy. A tube of steel for action and a steel rod for the bolt (in proper grade and proportions) can be bought by anyone. I don't know how long it would take the machinist, but I know one could do it.
The clones bring precision machining/strength and redesigning some parts to the table and in some instances make them pretty that's about it! Nothing earth shattering at all.
As for people copying the Remington action and making all the new Rem clones, of course they do, it's a good simple design.
By the way, the Rem action is a simple clone design of the German 98 Mauser like most bolt action rifles, with refinements. The refinements were/are made to reduce manufacturing costs pure and simple.
The clones bring precision machining/strength and redesigning some parts to the table and in some instances make them pretty that's about it! Nothing earth shattering at all.
As for people copying the Remington action and making all the new Rem clones, of course they do, it's a good simple design.
By the way, the Rem action is a simple clone design of the German 98 Mauser like most bolt action rifles, with refinements. The refinements were/are made to reduce manufacturing costs pure and simple.
butchlambert
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So, your are a machinest and understand how simple that they are. A piece of pipe and a rod? Makes them purty and that's about it?
Big Blue, did you know that Kelbly offered a blade ejector? We'll see if they survive. I doubt that they are selling very many.
I did, I considered a Kelbly, but ended up going with a Pierce. Bighorn is also using a blade ejector on their latest rendition.
butchlambert
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A blade ejector is not worth an extra $300. If you really thought it were necessary you could easily add it to your rocker bolt release like an old L46 Sako. By the way, what does the mouserfeld extractor look like?
Dusty Stevens
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The TG ejector on the kelbly actions are real popular and work very well. Little different than a springfield as its built into the bolt release. No tuning required but slings em off the table when runnin and gunnin fast
butchlambert
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Dusty,
I had a L46 Sako in 222. It did not have the combo rocker bolt release ejector. I had one wire EDM, but left the short blade off the right hand side. You can see in the photo. I wanted to remone them by hand. I had a factory one borrowed to dimension and left about .125 of the blade off.
butchlambert
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Another photo to make it easier to envision.
So basically there's a lot of opinions and very little first hand experience. I personally like the idea of a 60 bolt lift and a light bolt release for easier bad position reloads. For me the higher locked bolt position is much easier to find and rack. Once I got my trg 22 I'm sold on it. And yes guns like the one the gentleman posted on this thread are very nice. I can't spend my money on something like that. I know it will sit in the safe and never get used in fear of scratching it. I would sooner a trg type rifle that doesn't look like much but is super comfortable and just plain works.
butchlambert
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Well,
I wouldn't go that far. I have a Browning with a 60deg. bolt lift and I believe Bat makes a 3 lug with a 60 deg bolt lift. Most of us have had and used different style and type rifles. A TRG is ok, just not comfortable or accurate enough for me. I think that is why a lot of different rifles are made. The TRG fits a small niche and I'm happy that you like it.
I'm not into rolling in the dirt, knocking down doors, and shooting from roof tops at play people targets. Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, it ain't what this 73 year old guys likes to do. I've got to cook now so I'm off to town to get Mexican. I'll check back tomorrow.
Shoot play people. Trg isnt accurate enough... Haha dig it. We'll I don't like locking my gun to a perfectly leveled concrete bench in a vise that costs more then a lot of peoples guns. Then not even look through the scope when I fire. Look at wind flags and pull the trigger because I know the rifle couldn't have possibly moved. I realize you guys are very talented builders and reloaders. But it's not my cup. Maybe when I get to 73 I'll be poking the younger guys too. I enjoy the jabs. Keeps it fun.
The tactical shoots put you in quite a few out of position spots. There was a stage at the last shoot I went to that most rifles didn't fit through vertically. I was having to single feed my Savage in that stage as the rounds would clear the mag, pop up and not feed. My short action is supposed to be here in a March along with a Manners T4A.
You, son, don't have a clue about real Benchrest, only what you garnered from YouTube. What you describe is a very small part of a BR tournament, called Unlimited Class -aka rail gun. If you checked the match results, you'll find the other bag gun classes typically win with smaller groups than Unlimited (albeit Unlimited is usually 10 shot groups vs. 5). If one knows anything about shooting for accuracy, one has to be able to move the POA to compensate for wind/mirage....a vice would be counterproductive. To make such a statement,tells me you believe the solid bench/rest set-up negates the effect of conditions. It also tells me you believe using the same load day-in/ day-out yields the best accuracy.
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I was joking. Responding to the gentleman's jab. I enjoy the challenge of improvising. Not knowing what challenge they're going to throw at you. Obviously there's talent needed to do well in all forms of competition. I don't care if it's women's bowling, beer pong or benchrest. It's all about finding what you enjoy and running with it.
Well, I really don't see any "jabs" in Butch's post. He simply gave his opinion...and you didn't like it.
You may have written the post with the "intent" of sarcasm....but how is one to tell? A newbie will take your post literally and possibly direct him away from trying BR.
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Clearly we have another 1000$ plus vise owner that's upset. You think my replying to a friendly jab with a little joke of my own pushed away anymore potential new br shooters then the cost of the vises you use?
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