March scope review
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Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Kings X said:
I think I misunderstood your post above when I answered yesterday. I originally thought you were talking about shooting at what I call a thermometer target, where you can crank in 30 MOA, aim for the bottom and get a group 30 inches above, all at 100 yards.
In retrospect, I think you might be referring to the zoom displacement that is inherent to one degree or another in variable riflescopes. The March-X scope, with X perhaps meaning 10, is essentially a 5X or 8X scope with a 1-10X zoom. The zoom lens assembly is made up of multiple lenses (I want to say 3, but that's probably not correct,) and these lenses move when you turn magnification knob. Most variables have a 3X zoom capability. This is well known and I think for that range, the scope makers are able to control the movement well enough that POA shift is imperceptible. It took a long time but 1-4X zooms started showing up and are pretty standard now, but still not as prevalent as 1-3X zooms. I've seen adds from a few makers touting the first 1-5X zooms and 1-6X zoom lenses. So we know that implementing an optical zoom beyond 1-4X is a challenge in a riflescope.
The March-X has a 10X zoom, which I think is unprecedented in the industry, or at least very rare and at their website they claim to have integrated some type of device to control the POA shift in their scopes.
If I read your post correctly the second time around and I replace the word "distance" with "magnification" then I believ you are saying that March scopes control the POA shift very well.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Judd
Gold $$ Contributor
My shooting buddy uses them almost exclusively and I've looked through them. They are very nice and I really think in the game we play the .5 MOA hashes on the MTR-2 is an advantage. NF has taken such good care of me on the couple issues that I have had, making it extremely difficult to switch to a scope that has less warranty and a warranty that is out of this country.
Again, not disputing what they are but at some point we all have issues with our equipment and my experience has been extremely impressive from NF. I can't see March living to those standards with the sales/factory structure.
My obviously biased 2 cents.
Again, not disputing what they are but at some point we all have issues with our equipment and my experience has been extremely impressive from NF. I can't see March living to those standards with the sales/factory structure.
My obviously biased 2 cents.
The March scopes are nice. I don't think any of them I have looked through are any nicer than the NF Comp I have.
I am an F Class Shooter. NF is supporting my sport. They are building a new parking lot at Ben Avery. They give/have given away a lot of scopes at the Berger Nat's and at Nationals. NF & Berger are always going to get first nod from me because of the support they give to the sport.
I am an F Class Shooter. NF is supporting my sport. They are building a new parking lot at Ben Avery. They give/have given away a lot of scopes at the Berger Nat's and at Nationals. NF & Berger are always going to get first nod from me because of the support they give to the sport.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
First of all, I don't "have to" do anything. It's my money and I can spend it how I want.
Second, a parking lot in at a range 1200 miles from me was not in my specifications or my list of my needs.
Third, what was in my specifications was a 56mm or greater objective lens AND a 34mm tube AND a minimum top magnification of 40X. There were only 3 scopes that met those specifications and none were offered by Nightforce.
But just to show that I am not insensitive to the support that various companies provide for our sport, I offer item four; Kelbly's Precision (March scopes,) is providing prizes at Bayou Rifles events.
Second, a parking lot in at a range 1200 miles from me was not in my specifications or my list of my needs.
Third, what was in my specifications was a 56mm or greater objective lens AND a 34mm tube AND a minimum top magnification of 40X. There were only 3 scopes that met those specifications and none were offered by Nightforce.
But just to show that I am not insensitive to the support that various companies provide for our sport, I offer item four; Kelbly's Precision (March scopes,) is providing prizes at Bayou Rifles events.
Good on Kelbly's for providing prizes for a local event. Nicely done.
You found a scope that met your specs and that you like, all that really matters. Your decision is just that, your decision. I was just stating what influences my decisions. They don't have to be the same thing.
I was stating my opinion about the parking lot. The new parking lot at that range is also 1200 miles from me. However, with nationals there next year, mid range and long range, along with next month's Berger's, I think I will rather enjoy the new parking lot. This is just my opinion.
You found a scope that met your specs and that you like, all that really matters. Your decision is just that, your decision. I was just stating what influences my decisions. They don't have to be the same thing.
I was stating my opinion about the parking lot. The new parking lot at that range is also 1200 miles from me. However, with nationals there next year, mid range and long range, along with next month's Berger's, I think I will rather enjoy the new parking lot. This is just my opinion.
The Kelbly's have been supporting us for more than 30 years. Their donations have been SUBSTANTIAL!
As for the warranty on March scopes, Deon Optical is a small Japanese company, and has to comply with government and business regulations regarding warranties. There is a cap of 5 years placed on them. Nightforce, a sister branch of Lightforce in Australia, is not restricted to that cap because they are not a Japanese company. The same is true for Weaver, and any other company based in another country. Do the Japanese owned Canon and Nikon offer lifetime warranty's on their great lenses? NO! It's regulated by the government.
As for the warranty on March scopes, Deon Optical is a small Japanese company, and has to comply with government and business regulations regarding warranties. There is a cap of 5 years placed on them. Nightforce, a sister branch of Lightforce in Australia, is not restricted to that cap because they are not a Japanese company. The same is true for Weaver, and any other company based in another country. Do the Japanese owned Canon and Nikon offer lifetime warranty's on their great lenses? NO! It's regulated by the government.
CatShooter
JRS said:
Actually, warranties are regulated by the laws in the country (and state) that the product is sold in, NOT where it is made.
The the company can exceed the period of warranty if they wish.
michaelnel
Old and In The Way
The length of the March warranty has come up in this thread, but how are March's warranty repairs handled?
If I bought a nice March X from Kelbly's and it started malfunctioning, what do I do, send it back to Kelbly's?
How does it get repaired from there, does it have to then get shipped back to Japan?
What's the turnaround time to get it fixed?
I did search both Kelbly's and Deon's sites and don't find anything about warranties.
If I bought a nice March X from Kelbly's and it started malfunctioning, what do I do, send it back to Kelbly's?
How does it get repaired from there, does it have to then get shipped back to Japan?
What's the turnaround time to get it fixed?
I did search both Kelbly's and Deon's sites and don't find anything about warranties.
michaelnel
Old and In The Way
JRS said:
It would be better if the questions were answered here so everyone who is interested would know the answers.
michaelnel
Old and In The Way
I did find this:
http://marchscopes.com/faq.html
... where it says in part: "All warranty issues or requests will need the scope to be returned to the manufacturer as only Deon in Japan has the equipment and expertise to dismantle and deal with this."
I figure that is going to be both expensive and time-consuming. I believe I will stick with Nightforce.
http://marchscopes.com/faq.html
... where it says in part: "All warranty issues or requests will need the scope to be returned to the manufacturer as only Deon in Japan has the equipment and expertise to dismantle and deal with this."
I figure that is going to be both expensive and time-consuming. I believe I will stick with Nightforce.
Jay Christopherson
Not An Admin
michaelnel said:
Feel free to search the forum, I've written up a least one thread dedicated to the process of using warranty service with Deon. It's not difficult, neither expensive nor time-consuming.
michaelnel
Old and In The Way
Thanks. Read your experience, thanks for posting it.
That said, I will still stick with Nightforce.
That said, I will still stick with Nightforce.
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