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M14 questions

I have recently been offer to purchase a Springfield M14 serial number 63xxx. I can see no signs of the selector switch being welded. Were they made in semi auto only? Were they available for sale to the public, or was this rifle issued and disappeared into someones private collection?
Thanks for any help.
 
If it legit, you'll have to pay a tax to own it if it is indeed a full auto capable M14. Contact your local ATF and they will let you know about the rules of full auto ownership. If your seller is legit, he should know this...

If it is not legit, you don't want to be anywhere near it. The jail time is not worth it. Ignorance to these laws is not a valid defence, and I know of at least one brother of a friend who has done hard time for this type of offense.

If it is a Springfield M1A, and has not been altered in any way to be a full auto capable rifle, then you need to post the price to the group and someone knowledgable will vouch if it is a 'deal' or not. I expect that this may be your case...

I see on your profile that you are from Vancouver, so I doubt that what I posted above regarding the ATF has any revelance to you. I don't know the laws regarding ownership of class 3 firearms in Canada, but I'm certain that they are stricter than US laws...

Be careful.

MQ1
 
I shot it at a prone match, and could not find any signs of the selector switch hole being welded up. It is stamped M14 on the back of the reciever. Were they made in semi-auto only? I know next to nothing about these rifles.

D
 
I have heard that there were semi-auto variations available, which would explain alot.

You might want to post your questions here:

http://eotacforum.com/viewforum.php?f=108



MQ1
 
In the military, in 1964, all M-14 were semi-auto that I ever ran across. One pull: One shot. One day I fired all 200 rifles in my small group with 20 rounds each. It was a long day. My shoulder never got bruised, but I was young then. Cliffy
 
Thanks for your help. Class 3 up here would get me a new set of bracelets in a hurry. I have been shooting this rifle in matches for the past few years, and the owner is as straight as they come. I'll probably have a new rifle in a few weeks.
D
 
Back in the day, many were full auto, and I have had a number of friends look hard to find an original full auto version...

You should really take the time to peruse the site below...there are likely alot more knowledgable people there regarding the specific details of the M14 that you are looking at...

http://eotacforum.com/viewforum.php?f=108

MQ1
 
Itll have a pivot pin hole in the front of the action for the trip lever. Im pretty sure in the states there is no such thing as a semi auto springfield m14. Go to the m14 forum and check it out. You may have one of the handfull of NM m14's made in semi auto by springfield for the rifle team. Pretty sure every govt contract m14 in semi is accounted for. Theyll be the best for real info over there
 
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/m14rearreceiverhalfpaperweight-ss.aspx

Check out the rear pivot pin hole in that pic. Thats where the bracelets get selected right before you take a ride on the gray goose
 
cliffy said:
In the military, in 1964, all M-14 were semi-auto that I ever ran across. One pull: One shot. One day I fired all 200 rifles in my small group with 20 rounds each. It was a long day. My shoulder never got bruised, but I was young then. Cliffy
From Wiki:
"M14 rifle, officially the United States Rifle, 7.62 mm, M14,[5] is an American selective fire automatic rifle that fires 7.62×51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) ammunition. It gradually replaced the M1 Garand in U.S. Army service by 1961 and in U.S. Marine Corps service by 1965. It was the standard issue infantry rifle for U.S. military personnel in the contiguous United States, Europe, and South Korea from 1959 until it was replaced by the M16 rifle in 1970.[6] The M14 was used for U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps basic and Advanced Individual Training (AIT) from the mid-1960s to the early 1970s.The M14 was the last American "battle rifle" (weapons that fire full-power rifle ammunition, such as the 7.62×51 mm) issued in quantity to U.S. military personnel. The rifle remains in limited service in all branches of the U.S. military as an accurized competition weapon, a ceremonial weapon by honor guards, color guards, drill teams, and ceremonial guards, and sniper rifle/designated marksman rifle. The M14 serves as the basis for the M21 and M25 sniper rifles."
 
Being from Canada , you may be able to still purchase the Chinese M-14 made by Norinco or poly-tech . They have true forged receivers , chrome lined bores , a little rough on the outside , but fully functional .
 
If i remember right besides that handfull of springfield semi only nm rifles they were 100% made to be full auto but they didnt put the selector switch in most usually only one in a patrol. And if i remember right theres only one still left in the US from that handfull and that guy had to pay thousands in legal fees to get it back because the atf has ruled all military contract m14s full auto and illegal to own except the approx 27 that are transferrable. That from art lupino who many consider to be the leading authority on m14 pattern rifles. I have shot one of the 27 full auto transferrable ones. Its for sale right now if yall have $20k. I woulda bought it if he hadnt let me shoot it first. Its useless on full auto. So if it is a GI contract m14 beware!
 
All true M14 rifles were capable of full auto . All had selector switch available while in service.
When first issued they also had the bi pod The switches and bi pods were taken off at company level armorers
They were available if needed . The M14 was a duel purpose rifle capable of full auto fire to replace the then in service BAR.
Squads were issued to full autos and the rest were semi autos by taking off the selector switches and bi pods.
A very few got into the market. There are clones on the market minus the selector switch and semi auto only.
 
On a side note, I have some actual USGI M14 receiver pieces for sale (demilled), pretty cool since they have nice heelstamps with the serial numbers and manufacturers stamp!

PM me if youre interested
 
My drill instructor at P.I. tried to teach us M-14 fire control. Gunny Wright could empty a 20rd mag with ten 2 shot bursts,ungodly cool shooter. I think my best was 4,maybe 3 once or twice. Tom P.S. My 4th would probably be 10 feet over the 500 yard berm.
 
M-61 said:
cliffy said:
In the military, in 1964, all M-14 were semi-auto that I ever ran across. One pull: One shot. One day I fired all 200 rifles in my small group with 20 rounds each. It was a long day. My shoulder never got bruised, but I was young then. Cliffy
From Wiki:
"M14 rifle, officially the United States Rifle, 7.62 mm, M14,[5] is an American selective fire automatic rifle that fires 7.62×51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) ammunition. It gradually replaced the M1 Garand in U.S. Army service by 1961 and in U.S. Marine Corps service by 1965. It was the standard issue infantry rifle for U.S. military personnel in the contiguous United States, Europe, and South Korea from 1959 until it was replaced by the M16 rifle in 1970.[6] The M14 was used for U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps basic and Advanced Individual Training (AIT) from the mid-1960s to the early 1970s.The M14 was the last American "battle rifle" (weapons that fire full-power rifle ammunition, such as the 7.62×51 mm) issued in quantity to U.S. military personnel. The rifle remains in limited service in all branches of the U.S. military as an accurized competition weapon, a ceremonial weapon by honor guards, color guards, drill teams, and ceremonial guards, and sniper rifle/designated marksman rifle. The M14 serves as the basis for the M21 and M25 sniper rifles."

When we received the new M-14 rifles in the 82nd Airborne Division in 1963, the new rifle not only replaced the M1 Garand, but also the BAR (two each per infantry rifle squad). Rifle platoon leaders retained their M1 carbines, and mortar men retained their .45's and carbines. The rifles came to the rifle companies with selector switches. However, as a "replacement" for the BAR, only those rifles were issued out of the arms room with the selector switch for fully auto or semi-automatic fire. (I place quotation marks about "replacement" in reference to the BAR with tongue-in-cheek, because the MAJORITY of us NEVER felt that it could hold its own with the BAR!)

I liked to privately refer to the 82nd in that era as the "82nd Barnum & Bailey" because of the numerous mass-tactical airborne troop drops and rifle company live fire demonstrations we put on for visiting dignitaries. It's hard to forget the sight, sound and fury of an airborne infantry rifle company live fire assaulting up a hill to your front with all four rifle platoons on line with the platoons members also on line where EVERYONE had been issued selector switches along with extra magazines and three basic loads of ammunition. That's also with the two M1919A6 machine guns per rifle platoon firing from on that line, starting out with a 100-round belt in the gun and the assistant gunner carrying two cans of MG ammo. If a farm boy was to walk behind that company over the 200/300 yard stretch of the live fire, he would think he was walking on freshly disked ground!

Dan
 
I remember those days quite well Live fires OHH ahh
Lot of them in Germany in the early 60,s If you waned to see plowed ground count in the 81 mm mortar and the 4.2 inch mortar from the armored units , Of course
with a smidgen of 105MM and 90MM from the tanks and SP Guns
 

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