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Long Range Hunting isn't for everyone, it requires for you to do your homework

Longrange hunting requires longrange shooting. I believe Rustystud hit the nail on the head about some sensible rules of thumb to practice/follow in this legitimate approach to hunting. It encourages a guy to prepare and practice with the right equipment and mental attitude. This type of hunting adds another method and challenge to the sport of hunting IMHO.

Wyo
 
Good info Rustystud and you got the discussion going, hopefully it can keep going in a positive manner.
I knew what you meant CJ6 but I guess we will have to agree to disagree (its all good). Having the ability to take a long range shot is as important as the ability to stalk in close, both are a good means of hunting IMHO. In both cases the wind can be your worst foe and your ability to shoot is important.
Being in an area of wide open spaces full of cactus and snakes I may be rationalizing though?
Ran into a couple of hunters a few weeks ago with some funky lookin pistols(pair of Savages and a lever action single shot) with the ability to take a long shot. Far cry from the 15" 708 TC I tryed to warm up to a few years ago. For me a pistol is just too limiting but that don't make it wrong for someone else! They did start an itch though that may have to be scratched sometime in the future?
 
Vermin said:
Ran into a couple of hunters a few weeks ago with some funky lookin pistols(pair of Savages and a lever action single shot) with the ability to take a long shot. Far cry from the 15" 708 TC I tryed to warm up to a few years ago. For me a pistol is just too limiting but that don't make it wrong for someone else! They did start an itch though that may have to be scratched sometime in the future?

Sounds like you ran into a father/son group combined with a good friend. I know of whom you speak of. The lever action, is the MOA Maximum (falling block single-shot {interchangeable barrels}).
For a funky competition (Specialty handguns) once a year in June near Sundance, WY, we shoot at 500, 750 and 1,000 yards from the bench for group and we also have a roving field shoot where you have shots from just under 300 yards to beyond 800 yards. Likely do a little prairie doggin to boot_No rifles allowed ;D
 
Kinda figured you'd know them.That MOA was a real interesting piece. Yep they mentioned the Sundance shoot but all this old doggers got for a pistol right now is a SRH in 454 and a TC Encore frame with no barrel. Junes a ways away though ;)
The SRH does have a prairie dog kill past 500yards but I prefer not to mention how many rounds it took to get it, a prairie dog make for a small target with open sights :-[
 
I went hunting yesterday to do some bullet testing with my 300 yard rifle. A model Seven 243 wearing a 20" Broughton 1:8, 5C, barrel 3X0X50 Leupold. I was loaded with fireformed, neck turned .2715, LC 81 Match brass. My load was 90 grain Swift Scirocco II ahead of 46 Grains of H4831SC and CCI BR@ primers. My groups size was about .5" at 100 yards. I was hunting from a Greens Tree Seat about 35 feet off the ground in a double trunk WhiteOak. The wind started out gusting 10-15 from the south west. I saw my first two deer at 340 yards at 4:20p.m. Twenty minutes later I a deer blow about 200 yards to the east of me and had a small six pointer walk up behind me at 50 yards. He stayed around and I had three does approach from the south and meet up with the six pointer. They entered from a woods into cut over edge then into a cut corn field. They worked their way to the other end. I had two other does enter into the corn field from the northeast. Just before dark I had two deer enter the cornfied from from the south west at 250 yards. They were working their way toward me around the edge of the field. It was a large doe and a buck chasing her. She stayed in the corn field and the buck entered the cutover about 100 yards out. He worked his way to within 30 yards of my position. He never knew I was there. I took the shot and he fell over on his back. He is heavy horned with stickers and palmation 8 typical points 22 inches on the inside and weighed on the scales 189 pounds with his nose still on the ground. So much for making plans to test bullets. I recovered the bullet and will photograh and weigh it on another post.
Nat Lambeth
 
Vermin said:
Kinda figured you'd know them.That MOA was a real interesting piece. Yep they mentioned the Sundance shoot but all this old doggers got for a pistol right now is a SRH in 454 and a TC Encore frame with no barrel. Junes a ways away though ;)

Here is some info on the MOA and the shoot. Love to have you come. If Rich Mertz, knows ahead of time He has several MOA's he will have loaded and ready and you can use a MOA for the comp if you so desired.

http://home.comcast.net/~MOA_Shooters/MOASHOOTERSB.htm
 
Rustystud said:
I went hunting yesterday to do some bullet testing with my 300 yard rifle. A model Seven 243 wearing a 20" Broughton 1:8, 5C, barrel 3X0X50 Leupold. I was loaded with fireformed, neck turned .2715, LC 81 Match brass.
He worked his way to within 30 yards of my position. He never knew I was there. I took the shot and he fell over on his back.
Nat Lambeth

Nat, congrats on the deer.
Sometimes when you get ready for one type of shooting you get one under your nose ;D
 
I haven't shoot a elk under 300 yards for the last five years when you make long range. Shots you usually have a lot of time to make the shot as long as you no how your rifle shoots Ruustystud if your area has deer problems i will send you a dozen wolfs you won't ever have to worry about deer problems again.
 
Here is a 90 grain Scirocco II that I recovered from the deer I shot. I was expanded to .567 and weighed 82.7 grains.
 

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RustyStud, I bow to your ABOVE average expertise. Please don't think I'm in your league regarding super-long range prowess. I equate with the average hunter who can barely see 600 yards, let alone firmly subdue an animal at that distance. I, also, bow to your superiority regarding accuracy at such outragous ranges. Please don't think me envious, but yea, I'm totally envious! Some hunter practice a week before deer season, ONCE! Both you and I obviously practice a fair bit more than that. Cliffy
 
Nat ,Yessir them are some good bullets. They hold up well don't they ;D. Congrats on the deer. .......Roger T
 
I have a 180 grain 30 caliber Scirocco recovered from an 8 foot Alberta black bear shot with a 300 win mag at 120 yards. The bullet entered the neck shoulder juncture passed the entire length of the body and ended up under the hide on the rump. The cleaned up bullet is .635" in diameter and 171 grains in weight. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. I have many customers shooting the Swift Scirocco and Nosler Accubond. I have found the Nosler Accubond is a better version (bonded core) of the Balistic tip.
The price difference between the Accubond and the Scirocco is significant.

Nat Lambeth
 
I'm a firm believer in bonded bullets.TBBCs,Swift A-Frames- Scirroccos, Woodleigh Weld Cores. They expand so well and maintain their weight over such a wide margin of velocity that IHMO nothing else compares. I haven't tried the Nosler's or Hornaday,s yet so I can't comment on them.
 
In 6mm fare, I have tremendous accuracy results via the Speer Grand Slam bullet well downrange. Slightly better then the venerable Nosler Partition, but not as good as a great varmint bullet, yet who would hunt big game with a varmint bullet? Please, don't even try. Cliffy
 
Long range hunting is for the specialist who will invest the time, effort and cash required to do it right. Well said in your original post Rustystud.

Regards, Guy
 
I know a few people that 50yds is a long shot(have a hard time hitting a 4x8 sheet of plywood)

i don't consider that person a hunter at all! if they don't even have the decency to practice,that would be the same person that has a pump rifle and several spare magazines in his pocket who shoots at running deer! down right dangerous.
the hunter that uses their scope to scan the woods,look at people aka no binoculars.
we practice our butts off all year on varmints and shooting matches and have the proper equipment and skill to be able to set our own personal limits which happens to be 800-900yds even on big game.

we don't "just send it"

so what makes long range hunting over 350yds "JUST WRONG" compared to the 50yd guy that was called a hunter?

15yrs ago i wondered what in the world are these guys doing building guns to shoot at paper at 1000yds? thats STUPID! till i did it and now apply it to hunting.
 
form where i see it from a gunsmiths point of veiw we build alot more rifles for the guys that want to shoot 600yds and beyond then for those who intend to shoot 40 yds. i guess i could kill deer at 1000yds. my guns can break claybirds at 1000yards. but i don't believe i will ever have the desire to shoot a deer at that distance . not because i can't and not because i think it is inhumane or wrong . i just don't want to walk that far for a deer 50 yds. maybe 60 at the most . then all that draggin this is suppose to fun if i want to work that hard i will stay home and build guns . to some it up guys ulltimately you the hunter have to decide what your limts are and what is proper . just have fun doing it and stay safe . T.R
 
While I'm not a 600 yard "BRAGGER" I certainly have the ability to take game at 600+ yards, and I was glad that I could two years ago when one of my hunting partners took a shot he should not have took. The shot was 300 yards but he had never shot at anything that far ever before, so he broke the elk's back leg and missed the following 5 shots! I got set up and brought the elk down at 550 yards, I didn't choose the shot, the shot chose me, so I was very glad that I was up to the task.

-X3M
 
Nat, you are way above average for TWO reasons, First, you practice at least three times a week, and second, you practice at 600 yards. What other fall deer hunter do you know who accomplishes this needed requirement? How many "Weekend Warriors" fire a hundred rounds in a week of shooting practice? I'd raise my hand, but I'm among the extreme few who can claim this sort of experimentation and practice. I don't have a job; I don't have to support a family anymore; I'm retired; I reload nearly every evening, except when I'm fishing or at the YMCA exercising my fat off. cliffy
 
There are many levels of shooter, equipment, and knowledge and experience.

Be ethical and do your homework. I have shot many deer at 900-1000 yards with a rifle and bullet suited for doing this.

I have shot 100s of deer at at ranges from 30-300 yards.

A great gun writer Bob Hagel once wrote, "there is no such thing as shooting to much gun, dead is dead."

I think there is an equally important statement, you can't be a too experienced shooter.

If you are going to hunt at extreme distances, practice with what you are going to shoot.

You can't rely on what someone else says.

Sit down an shoot your rifle and loads from 50 yards to your desired distance. After reaching 300 yards you need to practice at 25 yard intervals. Keep a log of your scope settings. Because your vertical changes more rapidly and your velocity drops off.

There are accurate rifles and there are flat shooting accurate rifles.

They are not always the same. Generally flat shooting rifles have more recoil and muzzle blast.

With the general shooting population there is an inverse relationship between flat shooting rifles and accurate rifle shooters. The General population can not shoot a flat shooting rifle as accurately as an accurate rifle. Example the average guy can't shoot a 7mmSTW or 300 Ultra Mag as well as he can shoot a .243 or 308 Winchester.

Shot placement and bullet performance are more important than flat trajectory.

Shot placement comes from knowing your distance and your equipment, confidence and a little luck.

Shooting a 2-3" group with .243 or 308 at 600 yards is much easier than shooting the same group with a large magnum.

Again practice practice and practice some more.

After you get your equipment issues resolved you will have to learn to read the wind. There is no better teacher than shooting F-Class or Long Range Bench Rest or Tactical rifle.

If you don't have time to shoot your rifle a couple hundred rounds every year you should not shoot game at ranges at over 300 yards.

I personally shoot tens of thousands of rounds every year. At known distance I can hold my own. At unknown distances I consider myself to a novice with 45 years shooting experience.

Get yourself a good range finder and go practice with your rifle.

Be a responsable shooter and remember you represent all of the shooting community out in the public.

Nat Lambeth
first of all let me state that I've successfully taken several deer with a bow (recurve 80# pull weight in my 20's) with a revolver and a 30/06 pump still hunting.

But in the late 70's I was introduced to long-range hunting and never looked back. Here a few things anyone starting to hunt long-range or currently hunting that way should consider.

1 Well first of all you have to find a safe place to shoot from and to shoot to.
2 you need really good equipment,
A. Good optics, twin packs made from quality scopes (two put together in a
frame) a really high-quality rifle scope and a good range finder.
B. An accurate rifle and stable shooting platform and of sufficient energy to put an animal down quickly and humanly.
C. Precision rifle ammunition.
3 I my opinion the most difficult part is to acquire the skill set to read the conditions and the shooting skill to make clean shots at distance. And to know your skill limit, have the discipline to not take the shot if you have second thoughts. (Don't poke and hope!)

My equipment: rifle .338/.408 (Big Baer) 30" Bartlein barrel left hand twist gain twist 1/10" to 1/9.25", 300 grain Elite Hunter @ 3135 FPS H50BMG @ 137 grains, Nightfore Actar7X35X56 second focal plane.

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