I have recently (six months ago) purchased an Anschutz 64 MPR and have been shooting it at 50, 100, 200 and 225 meters using a Harris bipod and Protektor rabbit ear bag (the longest safe distance I can go on the family farm). It groups comfortably inside 1 MOA at these distances (actually well inside 0.5 MOA at 50 meters), but my main interest is to explore its accuracy out to 300 meters. I have a Leupold VX3 6.5-20X 50mm side focus scope with a Varmint Hunter’s reticle. The scope is mounted in BKL 303-MB low rings and sits perfectly about 1/8" above the barrel. For distances longer than 100 meters I shoot Federal 510 ammo, which buys me an extra 6-8 minutes of elevation over the SK JAGD Rifle Match subsonic ammo that I use for 50 meters (and sometimes at 100 meters). I think I have enough elevation left on the scope to get out to 250 meters without going to an angled base or Burris Signature rings. My idea right now is to keep the scope mounted as is (no angled base or new rings) and try it out to 300 meters using the elevated hash marks in the Varmint reticle for extra elevation. If the rifle continues to group as well at the longer distance, I would consider the Burris rings or a sloped base. Would appreciate any comments or feedback from anyone with interest or experience in shooting .22LR ACCURATELY at longer distances.
Long range .22LR
- Thread starter Garry Lay
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Many , many wind flags . I shoot at 300 and have 19' feet ,yes feet drop . You must use std vel ammo . Find the one that your gun liks at 100 it may not be the one at 200 but it will get you close . Having a camera setup helps . I've got almost 1 degree scope incline . I want my scope to be centered so to get the best from it .
Thanks for your reply. The Federal 510 I use is standard velocity - 1240 fps. Recommended by an experienced shooter friend for the longer distances. Very consistent and handles wind well. The Anschutz shoots this ammo comfortably within 1 MOA at 100, 200 and 225 meters, so I think it will do OK at 250 or 300. Have some good wind flags as well. Looking forward to shooting at 250 and 300 to confirm accuracy.
Thanks again. Will check this out to verify the fps.
I've shot my Anschutz 64 MPR at 250 yds. with ELEY Match. 10rds. was around 1" I dial elevation, set level on scope, bipod, rear bag, once you start stepping out, hold overs in scope won't cut it. I'm using a Nightforce 8x32x56 NSX. I would try ELEY Match,TENEX or EDGE. I've had best luck with these in my 64 MPR.
Thanks, Dave
Thanks, Dave
IMO RWS100 is the best long range ammo,,,to get to 300 meters you will need close to 50 MOA from a 100 yard zero and about 55 moa from a 50,,
you want to use ammo that starts under the speed of sound for long range shooting,,and you may not believe it but 1060 speed ammo will drift less in wind at extended range than 1250 speed ammo,,
you want to use ammo that starts under the speed of sound for long range shooting,,and you may not believe it but 1060 speed ammo will drift less in wind at extended range than 1250 speed ammo,,
Yup mr big , I've got almost ONE DEGREE of incline. My scope is an old fixed 36 , not much built in elevation . But I'm spun centered now at about 58-59 min. I've been shootin 300 yds for 5 + yrs ( when available) , it's a challenge. I've found so many variables, I live in s Florida so humidity is a big problem . Wait to long on your shots and the next one out is going high . Barrel never gets warm enough to eliminate condensation, hence a higher shot , in most guns I shoot . Had one that would through it out to the right .
At 225 meters (246 yds.) I’m using 26 minutes of elevation on my Leupold VX3 6.5-20 scope and shooting Federal 510 ammo - 1240 fps. The rifle holds comfortably inside 1 MOA at that distance using bipod and rear bag off a portable shooting table. Think I have enough elevation left on the scope to go to about 235 meters (257 yds.). Will see how far I can shoot without a sloped base or Burris rings and decide from there. Really appreciate all the response I’m getting from everyone. I’m in south central Ontario, Canada and most of my shooting with the 64 MPR has been done over this winter. Many cold and some quite windy days, but great practice for reading the wind, which blows across the soy field over which I shoot!
Popular opinion among lead bullet shooters (centerfire) is not to exceed the speed of sound, 1100 fps. Reason being if the 1200 fps bullet does not reach the intended target before dropping below 1100 fps it is buffeted when passing thru the sound barrier. Early attempts at breaking the sound barrier in aircraft found this buffeting severe. Modern long range shooters try to maintain 1100 fps thru full flight of the bullet.
Garry,
I notice that you said that most of your shooting has been in the cold and wind. 22 lr ammo is notoriously temperature sensitive, generally it gives poor accuracy in the cold. You may spend a great deal of time playing with various things to find out that a lot of the issues are directly related to the cold temps rather than something else.
Many years ago (when Amercan Rifleman was more technical than it currently is) they did an exhaustive test of various 22 lr ammo in both warm and cold conditions and the accuracy difference was dramatic. Wish I would have saved the article, it was very interesting.
Just something else to think about.
drover
I notice that you said that most of your shooting has been in the cold and wind. 22 lr ammo is notoriously temperature sensitive, generally it gives poor accuracy in the cold. You may spend a great deal of time playing with various things to find out that a lot of the issues are directly related to the cold temps rather than something else.
Many years ago (when Amercan Rifleman was more technical than it currently is) they did an exhaustive test of various 22 lr ammo in both warm and cold conditions and the accuracy difference was dramatic. Wish I would have saved the article, it was very interesting.
Just something else to think about.
drover
Thanks for this info. Spring is on the way and as it gets warmer here, things will change quickly. Because I purchased the Anschutz last fall, most of my shooting has of necessity been in the winter, so I’m anxious to now get out in warmer weather to compare my present data with any differences that warmer temperatures will bring. I am thankful to have been able to shoot in the winter, as it has confirmed my previous experience that I can shoot in most weather so long as I’m dressed properly for the weather!
I have a Ruger 77/22 VBZ 22 rimfire rifle that I use for ground squirrel hunting. The maximum practical range for this gun and H.P. /H.V. ammunition is around 75 to 100 yards. It’s a field gun, I don’t expect it to shoot like a target gun but I became curious to find out what it could do at 200 and 300 yards just for the fun of it. So one mildly windy day (where I live), I fired 100 rounds of Winchester Power Point ammunition at extended range. This is what I learned in one day at the shooting range.
Wind is a big factor. At 200 yards, the majority of my shots clustered around the bull’s-eye but I could not keep all my shots on an 8.5” x 11” target. And I was using five wind flags, holding off for the wind. My 300 yard target was a 12-inch diameter steel gong. My scope, a Leupold VX-II 40mm AO 6-18X, was a limiting factor. I had to use all of the scope elevation adjustment and then hold the point of the duplex post on the gong frame as a reference. I was unable to hear my bullets hit the gong but I could see my missed shots kick up dust on the berm. My hit percentage was maybe 20%. Some of my misses were several feet off the target, as if the bullets were unstable at that distance. It was an interesting exercise. I may give it another try on a calm day with Eley ammunition just for the fun of it.
My bench set up for long range shooting.
200 and 300 yard berms.
Wind is a big factor. At 200 yards, the majority of my shots clustered around the bull’s-eye but I could not keep all my shots on an 8.5” x 11” target. And I was using five wind flags, holding off for the wind. My 300 yard target was a 12-inch diameter steel gong. My scope, a Leupold VX-II 40mm AO 6-18X, was a limiting factor. I had to use all of the scope elevation adjustment and then hold the point of the duplex post on the gong frame as a reference. I was unable to hear my bullets hit the gong but I could see my missed shots kick up dust on the berm. My hit percentage was maybe 20%. Some of my misses were several feet off the target, as if the bullets were unstable at that distance. It was an interesting exercise. I may give it another try on a calm day with Eley ammunition just for the fun of it.
My bench set up for long range shooting.
200 and 300 yard berms.
and std vel ammo is less than 1100 fps and high vel ammo is 1225-1300 fps,,,lots of people call high vel ammo standard vel when in fact it is not it is high vel,
I am a member of an operational shooting club with various distances from 0 - 600 meters and even a 1,000 meter set-up. My personal “range” on the family farm is much more informal, and that’s where I do most of my rimfire work. I can shoot safely out to 225 meters (246 yds.) at the moment, and for longer distances, I’ll use the club range. I shoot from a very stable but portable shooting table using a Harris bipod and rabbit ear bag. I prefer to use white painted steel target discs (one 8" dia. and one 12" dia.), as I can see the shot impact through my scope and also hear the ring of the hits. An experienced shooter friend recommended using Federal 510 ammo (1240 fps), as he found it quite accurate at longer distances and at this point, I would agree. I am aware of the transonic issue re not using subsonic ammo for this type of shooting, but so far this round seems to handle the wind well, and maintains its stability and consistency out to 200 and 225 meters. Using this ammo, the Anschutz 64 MPR is grouping comfortably within 1 MOA at those distances. I’m posting two photos of the target discs I use. The first image is the 8" disc shot at 200 meters. The smaller clusters of hits are within 1.5 - 2 inches. The second image is the 12" disc shot at exactly 222 meters (I’ve now been able to get my target out to 225!). The smaller clusters here are within 2 inches. On this target, I had 39 hits out of 50 shots and most of the misses were made while adjusting for the varying wind that day.I have a Ruger 77/22 VBZ 22 rimfire rifle that I use for ground squirrel hunting. The maximum practical range for this gun and H.P. /H.V. ammunition is around 75 to 100 yards. It’s a field gun, I don’t expect it to shoot like a target gun but I became curious to find out what it could do at 200 and 300 yards just for the fun of it. So one mildly windy day (where I live), I fired 100 rounds of Winchester Power Point ammunition at extended range. This is what I learned in one day at the shooting range.
Wind is a big factor. At 200 yards, the majority of my shots clustered around the bull’s-eye but I could not keep all my shots on an 8.5” x 11” target. And I was using five wind flags, holding off for the wind. My 300 yard target was a 12-inch diameter steel gong. My scope, a Leupold VX-II 40mm AO 6-18X, was a limiting factor. I had to use all of the scope elevation adjustment and then hold the point of the duplex post on the gong frame as a reference. I was unable to hear my bullets hit the gong but I could see my missed shots kick up dust on the berm. My hit percentage was maybe 20%. Some of my misses were several feet off the target, as if the bullets were unstable at that distance. It was an interesting exercise. I may give it another try on a calm day with Eley ammunition just for the fun of it.
My bench set up for long range shooting.
200 and 300 yard berms.
You may want to try Lapua polar biathlon ammo. It shoots excellent out of my Anschutz and I believe they designed it for the cold weather.
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