leupold disapearing from competitions?
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In the disciple that I shoot, (SR IBS SCORE) there has been a steady decline of Leupold Competition scopes. I just feel that early on there was an issue that had to do with POI and wire crosshairs that would come apart. I'm sure there have been steady improvements to Leup Comp scopes since they first came out, but in some people's minds the damage has been done. If you look at the equipment list, NF'S Comp scopes have dominated as far as sheer numbers of shooters who are using them now. Word of mouth goes a long way in this game. Some people have gotten tired of sending their Leupold back a number of times for the same reason and more often than not they are not getting an answer as to why their scope failed. I personally have seen 8 Leup Comp scopes fail in a match and that's not good. I personally feel that Leupold's old 36BR scope was a much better scope than the Comp series. I have 2 NF Comp scopes a straight 42X and a 15-55X and I love them. They are not without their faults, I know 2 people who I shoot against that had to send theirs back, but that's expected. One was a brand new scope that didn't function right from the start. I know two people that outright sold theirs because according to both of them they were so clear that during a match that had a lot of mirage, their scope would amplify mirage something terrible vs their March scopes under the same conditions. Plus another thing, as most people get older their eyesight gets weaker and they feel that a little extra magnification will go a long way in helping them out, plus the ED glass in a NF or March is way superior than the glass used in a Leup Comp, hence the major price difference. Logistics is another area as to who uses what it seems. East coast below the Mason-Dixon line, NF just totally dominates. At the 200-300 yard Score Nationals in SC, there were 22 NF, 7 Leups and 4 Marches. At the 100-200 yard score Nationals in NY there were 14 NF, 7 Weavers, 13 Leups, 4 B&L and 6 Marches.
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I don't know what JRS meant by point blank competition either, but I was describing what I shoot, which is short range competition, 100, 200, & 300 yards and meters.
Short range competition. It has been referred to as "point blank" for as long as I can remember. Example: The 2016 Super Shoot equipment list for the top twenty LV shooters: Leupold - 8, March - 6, Nightforce - 3, Valdada - 2, Sightron - 1.
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I own 2 NF 15-55 and I agree the scope is too good to be honest, I see way too much in the air using these scopes compared to my older NF BR 12-42 scopes. I sometimes look thru the 15-55 scope and my site picture looks all fuzzy and distorted and I'll spend time trying to adjust the eye piece and the parallax only to not improve the site picture. Then I look thru my 12-42 scopes and the site picture is crystal clear. I'm onsidering swappimg back over to the 12-42 scopes for that reason and also the cross hairs are a bit thicker which also helps to my eyes.
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
Leupy doesn't seem to build scopes for the compeditive shooting games played today. They build scopes that sell across the counter at big box stores.
If you look at the PRS lists from the last couple of yrs NF is all but absent from there as well. They stood on the SFP line and were way late getting a viable FFP scope in the 25x class to the game. NF have a following and will get more users with the new FFP scopes, but Vortex are the go to scopes last time i looked there.
In F class NF gave us what we wanted with the 12-42NXS, Leupy has never had anything to compare. A couple of yrs ago Leupy tried to roll out a comp scope for F class but it stumbled out of the gate. NF followed up with the successful 55Comp. March tries but you pay 25% more for them.
If you look at the PRS lists from the last couple of yrs NF is all but absent from there as well. They stood on the SFP line and were way late getting a viable FFP scope in the 25x class to the game. NF have a following and will get more users with the new FFP scopes, but Vortex are the go to scopes last time i looked there.
In F class NF gave us what we wanted with the 12-42NXS, Leupy has never had anything to compare. A couple of yrs ago Leupy tried to roll out a comp scope for F class but it stumbled out of the gate. NF followed up with the successful 55Comp. March tries but you pay 25% more for them.
Almost all premium scopes, spotting scopes and binoculars come standard with ED glass. It's been in use since the 1960s. Catchy names such as HD attract attention and make money. Whether a scope actually contains ED glass is anyones guess. Nikon was an early pioneer with ED glass, and used the moniker on cheaper lenses also, although they weren't fitted with ED glass. Even the inexpensive Vanguard scopes are advertised to be fitted with ED glass.
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A couple of yrs ago Leupy tried to roll out a comp scope for F class but it stumbled out of the gate. NF followed up with the successful 55Comp. March tries but you pay 25% more for them.
XTR I have a 7x42 Leupold and it work real well! I've had a few guys that really liked it. So yes they are still making good scopes.
Joe Salt
XTR I have a 7x42 Leupold and it work real well! I've had a few guys that really liked it. So yes they are still making good scopes.
Joe Salt
nakneker
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Leupold enjoyed the lion share of the market here in the U.S. For many years. Then the market changed, the competition shooting market started growing and with it the demand for feature rich quality scopes has risen sharply. Long range hunting and competition has become a huge niche in the market. We as shooters benefit, we've never had so many choices as we have now. Optic companies competing keeps pushing the envelope. I think Leupold lagged in keeping at the forefront, many companies passed them IMO, however it seems they are waking up and coming out with more competitive models.
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swd
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Leupold seems to to have the mentatilty of them deciding what we sholud have rather than listening to what we need. The last customer service rep I talked to was a complete idiot. He kept telling I needed a Firedot Wind plex reticule for my precision rifle because his 12 year old kid had just killed an elk at 80 yeards with one. He just had no clue at all.
Jet
Gold $$ Contributor
Earlier this year I attended some firearms training and one of the senior Leupold folks was in attendance. At the end of the week I attempted to pry a bit of info on this very subject out of him. I did most of the talking and he did some listening. His response was to expect to see their custom shop taking on a bigger role and producing some new products.
My opinion is hunting optics are their bread and butter and that's where the bulk of the money is made. I think nakneker is correct in that there are new manufacturers producing some great optics and companies like Bushnell really upping their game.
Good Shooting
Rich
My opinion is hunting optics are their bread and butter and that's where the bulk of the money is made. I think nakneker is correct in that there are new manufacturers producing some great optics and companies like Bushnell really upping their game.
Good Shooting
Rich
When weight dictates the competition We have far fewer to choose from . Larry
Hereabouts, the saying's gone from, "Isn't it great that Leupold stands behind their product" to "Lucky for Leupold they stand behind their product". It hasn't been a huge shift, but they're no longer considered to be armor plated like they used to be.
Liven The Dream
Gold $$ Contributor
One thing to remember there Home is in Oregon ? I to live here, the Thinking in this State is like No other.
This could be ? Why they do the things they do ?
They have had a Run at AR Scopes for NRA Shooting . They are having a ruff road at it .
This could be ? Why they do the things they do ?
They have had a Run at AR Scopes for NRA Shooting . They are having a ruff road at it .
How big is the hunting-plinking-shooting scope business? How big is the competition scope business? How many hunters carry competition scopes in the woods? How many competitors use hunting scopes?
My bet is a deliberate decision on Leupold's part about what segment of the market they want to occupy.
My bet is a deliberate decision on Leupold's part about what segment of the market they want to occupy.
It's not about what is carried, but competition proves reliability and sells scopes. I won't buy a scope unless it has proven itself. Leupold is not the same company it was after being sold out a few years ago. Lots more problems with their products. They also don't support the clubs like they used to. After years of supporting our club, they sent a letter stating the new ownership has decided it is not in their best interest to support us. Matt
swd
Silver $$ Contributor
Thats amazing, what a way to shoot yourself in your foot as a business. Do they really think you guys will ever buy anything Leupold with a move like that...
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