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LE Wilson Bushing FL Sizing die

Also, I’ve said it so many times on this forum, if people would just try higher neck tension (.003”+) they probably would ask themselves why they waited so long.
Dave
I agree with this!…. Not always the case but most of my long range br rifles have benefited from .003-.004 neck tension. I started out much lighter as it was suggested to me to do but it was not the case. Now on the subject of mandrel…. I agree for the most part but they do have there place in precision loading and I have a lot of them.
Wayne
 
I agree with this!…. Not always the case but most of my long range br rifles have benefited from .003-.004 neck tension. I started out much lighter as it was suggested to me to do but it was not the case. Now on the subject of mandrel…. I agree for the most part but they do have there place in precision loading and I have a lot of them.sh
Wayne
I have a ton of them too, all gathering dust on my bench. Lol
Dave
 
Any chance that after a few firings and reloads using the expander ball system that neck thickness irregularities get evened out like rolling pie dough ?
Instead of grasping at straws why not to it right if you are attempting to obtain uniform neck wall thickness. Mic your neck walls, turn your necks and neck size with a bushing die. Done.
 
I’d love to see a survey of the best benchrest shooters in the world and how few of them use mandrels. If the best shooters in the world that are chasing the best accuracy and consistently shooting new records, and doing it without using mandrels; should you be using them???
Dave
I shoot almost weekly with Lester Bruno, Gary O'Cock and Walt Berger (until he passed away in January), all of whom are in the Benchrest Hall of Fame. The only time any of them use an expander mandrel is when the mandrel is matched to their neck turning mandrel. I don't get the conversation in this thread about using an expander mandrel to fix neck size deficiencies. There is only one way as previously discussed.
 
Instead of grasping at straws why not to it right if you are attempting to obtain uniform neck wall thickness. Mic your neck walls, turn your necks and neck size with a bushing die. Done.
I do turn the necks on my comp gun.

I was just posing the question if it was possible.
 
I’d love to see a survey of the best benchrest shooters in the world and how few of them use mandrels. If the best shooters in the world that are chasing the best accuracy and consistently shooting new records, and doing it without using mandrels; should you be using them???
Dave


I'd hafta know *ALL* they are doing. Likely they are neck turning. I am not. So I use mandrels. Quick and easy path to consistent neck tension.

Its like guys that use 108 octane to go fast. I like to go fast, but there's a reason I don't use 108 octane in my car.
 
I'd hafta know *ALL* they are doing. Likely they are neck turning. I am not. So I use mandrels. Quick and easy path to consistent neck tension.

Its like guys that use 108 octane to go fast. I like to go fast, but there's a reason I don't use 108 octane in my car.
If the mandrels are working for you don’t change there’s many ways to skin a cat!…. However if you use the correct bushing your neck tension will also be consistent
Wayne
 
If the mandrels are working for you don’t change there’s many ways to skin a cat!…. However if you use the correct bushing your neck tension will also be consistent
Wayne


Even if I don't turn my necks? And I have inconsistent neck wall thickness giving an inconsistent OD? The bushing (w/o a mandrel) is just gonna push the neck wall in to form an inconsistent ID. Giving inconsistent neck tension.

I'm not wanting to argue, but I don't see how you a bushing alone can get a relaible consistent neck tension .... at least in the theoretical.

Mandrels have springback issues (as do bushings) but the mandrel is at least theoretically intended to give consistent ID's and therefore consistent neck tension.

Thats my understanding anyway. Not an attack on anyone who's personal experience is different. (Seems we always gotta throw such disclaimers, or ppl get all chapped :) )
 
Even if I don't turn my necks? And I have inconsistent neck wall thickness giving an inconsistent OD? The bushing (w/o a mandrel) is just gonna push the neck wall in to form an inconsistent ID. Giving inconsistent neck tension.

I'm not wanting to argue, but I don't see how you a bushing alone can get a relaible consistent neck tension .... at least in the theoretical.

Mandrels have springback issues (as do bushings) but the mandrel is at least theoretically intended to give consistent ID's and therefore consistent neck tension.

Thats my understanding anyway. Not an attack on anyone who's personal experience is different. (Seems we always gotta throw such disclaimers, or ppl get all chapped :) )
You are not wrong , I use Lapua on anything precision snd it’s pretty uniform however even in my no turn rifles I do a 70-80% cleanup on the necks which makes them pretty consistent. I also have chambers I have to turn just to fit. I suggest you get into a little turning if precision is your thing , it’s not that hard to do. I don’t take offense to someone having a difference of opinion as a matter of a fact I enjoy and often times learn from it. Now a direct attack on me is a different story. Good luck in your endeavors
Wayne
 
You are not wrong , I use Lapua on anything precision snd it’s pretty uniform however even in my no turn rifles I do a 70-80% cleanup on the necks which makes them pretty consistent. I also have chambers I have to turn just to fit. I suggest you get into a little turning if precision is your thing , it’s not that hard to do. I don’t take offense to someone having a difference of opinion as a matter of a fact I enjoy and often times learn from it. Now a direct attack on me is a different story. Good luck in your endeavors
Wayne
Out of curiosity, in your "no turn" rifles....what;s this "cleanup on the necks" about? Even if I don't get into turning, I can see the value of cleaning up the neck as much as possible.
 
Out of curiosity, in your "no turn" rifles....what;s this "cleanup on the necks" about? Even if I don't get into turning, I can see the value of cleaning up the neck as much as possible.
You have to turn them with a neck turner. You will see about 80% is shiny with just a skiff not turned. If you measure neck wall thickness you won’t have taken much off and it will be pretty consistent in thickness.
Wayne
 
Instead of grasping at straws why not to it right if you are attempting to obtain uniform neck wall thickness. Mic your neck walls, turn your necks and neck size with a bushing die. Done.
^^^^^^^ THIS.
PLEASE use a FL Bushing die. I you likely meant this but just wanted to make sure people didn’t read as “use a neck die” because that certainly isn’t the answer.
Dave
 

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