LE Wilson Bushing FL Sizing die

[Sandstorm]

I find that eventually every one finds a process that works for them and the caliber, bullet, barrel
chamber combination that they are using. I cant say i do the exact same for all my rifles.
We all find what works best for said application.

 

[Dave M.]

I agree with this!…. Not always the case but most of my long range br rifles have benefited from .003-.004 neck tension. I started out much lighter as it was suggested to me to do but it was not the case. Now on the subject of mandrel…. I agree for the most part but they do have there place in precision loading and I have a lot of them.sh
Wayne

I have a ton of them too, all gathering dust on my bench. Lol
Dave

 

[bozo699]

I have a ton of them too, all gathering dust on my bench. Lol
Dave

If there any good I’ll buy them from ya so you can afford more stuff from Fclass John lol
Wayne

 

[bozo699]

If there any good I’ll buy them from ya so you can afford more stuff from Fclass John lol
Wayne

Ya can’t have too much reloading stuff!… mandrels and Gauge pins are always welcome Dave
Wayne

 

[Firearmsunlimited]

Any chance that after a few firings and reloads using the expander ball system that neck thickness irregularities get evened out like rolling pie dough ?

Instead of grasping at straws why not to it right if you are attempting to obtain uniform neck wall thickness. Mic your neck walls, turn your necks and neck size with a bushing die. Done.

 

[Firearmsunlimited]

I’d love to see a survey of the best benchrest shooters in the world and how few of them use mandrels. If the best shooters in the world that are chasing the best accuracy and consistently shooting new records, and doing it without using mandrels; should you be using them???
Dave

I shoot almost weekly with Lester Bruno, Gary O'Cock and Walt Berger (until he passed away in January), all of whom are in the Benchrest Hall of Fame. The only time any of them use an expander mandrel is when the mandrel is matched to their neck turning mandrel. I don't get the conversation in this thread about using an expander mandrel to fix neck size deficiencies. There is only one way as previously discussed.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Nothing fixes crooked brass.

 

[AlNyhus]

Nothing fixes crooked brass.

Garbage cans fix all bad brass...... -Al

 

[GetReal]

I’d love to see a survey of the best benchrest shooters in the world and how few of them use mandrels. If the best shooters in the world that are chasing the best accuracy and consistently shooting new records, and doing it without using mandrels; should you be using them???
Dave

I'd hafta know *ALL* they are doing. Likely they are neck turning. I am not. So I use mandrels. Quick and easy path to consistent neck tension.

Its like guys that use 108 octane to go fast. I like to go fast, but there's a reason I don't use 108 octane in my car.

 

[bozo699]

I'd hafta know *ALL* they are doing. Likely they are neck turning. I am not. So I use mandrels. Quick and easy path to consistent neck tension.

Its like guys that use 108 octane to go fast. I like to go fast, but there's a reason I don't use 108 octane in my car.

If the mandrels are working for you don’t change there’s many ways to skin a cat!…. However if you use the correct bushing your neck tension will also be consistent
Wayne

 

[GetReal]

If the mandrels are working for you don’t change there’s many ways to skin a cat!…. However if you use the correct bushing your neck tension will also be consistent
Wayne

Even if I don't turn my necks? And I have inconsistent neck wall thickness giving an inconsistent OD? The bushing (w/o a mandrel) is just gonna push the neck wall in to form an inconsistent ID. Giving inconsistent neck tension.

I'm not wanting to argue, but I don't see how you a bushing alone can get a relaible consistent neck tension .... at least in the theoretical.

Mandrels have springback issues (as do bushings) but the mandrel is at least theoretically intended to give consistent ID's and therefore consistent neck tension.

Thats my understanding anyway. Not an attack on anyone who's personal experience is different. (Seems we always gotta throw such disclaimers, or ppl get all chapped )

 

[bozo699]

Even if I don't turn my necks? And I have inconsistent neck wall thickness giving an inconsistent OD? The bushing (w/o a mandrel) is just gonna push the neck wall in to form an inconsistent ID. Giving inconsistent neck tension.

I'm not wanting to argue, but I don't see how you a bushing alone can get a relaible consistent neck tension .... at least in the theoretical.

Mandrels have springback issues (as do bushings) but the mandrel is at least theoretically intended to give consistent ID's and therefore consistent neck tension.

Thats my understanding anyway. Not an attack on anyone who's personal experience is different. (Seems we always gotta throw such disclaimers, or ppl get all chapped )

You are not wrong , I use Lapua on anything precision snd it’s pretty uniform however even in my no turn rifles I do a 70-80% cleanup on the necks which makes them pretty consistent. I also have chambers I have to turn just to fit. I suggest you get into a little turning if precision is your thing , it’s not that hard to do. I don’t take offense to someone having a difference of opinion as a matter of a fact I enjoy and often times learn from it. Now a direct attack on me is a different story. Good luck in your endeavors
Wayne

 

[GetReal]

You are not wrong , I use Lapua on anything precision snd it’s pretty uniform however even in my no turn rifles I do a 70-80% cleanup on the necks which makes them pretty consistent. I also have chambers I have to turn just to fit. I suggest you get into a little turning if precision is your thing , it’s not that hard to do. I don’t take offense to someone having a difference of opinion as a matter of a fact I enjoy and often times learn from it. Now a direct attack on me is a different story. Good luck in your endeavors
Wayne

Out of curiosity, in your "no turn" rifles....what;s this "cleanup on the necks" about? Even if I don't get into turning, I can see the value of cleaning up the neck as much as possible.

 

[bozo699]

Out of curiosity, in your "no turn" rifles....what;s this "cleanup on the necks" about? Even if I don't get into turning, I can see the value of cleaning up the neck as much as possible.

You have to turn them with a neck turner. You will see about 80% is shiny with just a skiff not turned. If you measure neck wall thickness you won’t have taken much off and it will be pretty consistent in thickness.
Wayne

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I’d love to see a survey of the best benchrest shooters in the world and how few of them use mandrels. If the best shooters in the world that are chasing the best accuracy and consistently shooting new records, and doing it without using mandrels; should you be using them???
Dave

Hint: none use them

 

[AckleymanII]

Advisable to check the results of the "float" with a concentricity gauge after sizing.

 

[Dave M.]

Instead of grasping at straws why not to it right if you are attempting to obtain uniform neck wall thickness. Mic your neck walls, turn your necks and neck size with a bushing die. Done.

^^^^^^^ THIS.
PLEASE use a FL Bushing die. I you likely meant this but just wanted to make sure people didn’t read as “use a neck die” because that certainly isn’t the answer.
Dave

 

[Dave M.]

Hint: none use them

EXACTLY MY POINT
and I just came back from the SuperShoot so I’m speaking from first hand experience from what I witnessed with my own eyes.
Dave

 

[Dave M.]

I'd hafta know *ALL* they are doing. Likely they are neck turning. I am not. So I use mandrels. Quick and easy path to consistent neck tension.

Its like guys that use 108 octane to go fast. I like to go fast, but there's a reason I don't use 108 octane in my car.

It’s not though. The difference in wall thickness is still causing uneven hoop stress forces being exerted on the bullet. If you are using Lapua brass (fairly consistent neck thickness), try just using a free floated bushing with a diameter .002-.004” smaller than your loaded round neck diameter (measured with tube mics and not calipers if you can help it).
Dave

 

[GetReal]

It’s not though. The difference in wall thickness is still causing uneven hoop stress forces being exerted on the bullet. If you are using Lapua brass (fairly consistent neck thickness), try just using a free floated bushing with a diameter .002-.004” smaller than your loaded round neck diameter (measured with tube mics and not calipers if you can help it).
Dave

You gonna buy all that for me? Everybody has a theory. Everybody is 100% sure they are right. I've spent WAAAAAYYYYY too much $$$$ chasing what everyone told me is *** SURE**** to work. And it didn't. Time and again. It gets old. I can't afford to keep doing it. I'm glad to test everybody's sure bets....if they'll front the money, and then I'll reimburse if it works.