Laupa 6BR Split Necks

[BenPerfected]

just a longshot question, but will he take back 6br brass that split upon fireforming for 6 dasher?

Never tried. Just thinking out loud here.... you took their product... changed it.... why would they warranty it?

I know when I make 30br brass, all the split necks I see I toss them out if I have expanded them already. I don't even ask for those to be replaced.

If this is the new normal, what are the alternatives? It really is about whether we as customers can expect consistency from Lapua....not perfect. I never counted split necks before this lot, but isn't the historical loss ratio of 6 BR brass to 6 Dasher more like 5-10%? This lot was 38%.....this wasn't DJ's first rodeo.

Shiraz has already came up with the solution. Factory 6 Dasher brass

Factory Dasher brass is the long term solution for both Lapua and the shooter; but it would have been nice if Lapua would had waited until the factory Dasher brass was available before they thinned the 6 BR case. What impact if any, will the new thinner Lapua 6 BR brass have on the other 6 BR hybrids?

 

[KevinThomas]

Ah, the infamous thinned case necks! Yeah, sorry about that, but we had absdolutely no say in that one. As you know, we are a Finnish company, and fall under the auspices of CIP, rather than SAAMI. Unlike SAAMI, which is a strictly voluntary organization, CIP has force of law behind them. Member companies are forced, by law, to adhere to their standards, dimensions, and practices. Companies adhere to SAAMI specs because that way things tend to work well together; Remington ammo in Winchester rifles, and so on. In the CIP world, a company theat makes things outside their specs can actually be shut down. That's what happened with the 6mm BR case. We didn't change the specs (which we can't legally do anyway) but we did change where we run our cases within those specs. We normally run all of our specs at the high end of the scale, dimensionally speaking. This was also true for the "old" 6mm BR case. Since we make ammo that has to pass certain CIP gage tests, we ran afoul of them in that loaded ammo. They had some ammo that wouldn't freely pass into the case neck gage, which they deemed "out of spec." We're talking about a few ten-thou difference, but enough that they felt the drag and called it oversize. For that reason, we had to move the specs we ran these cases back just a tad closer to the middle of the tolerance range. In all, the case necks were thinned by just a few ten-thousandths, just enough to where they cleared the inspectors gage, and were declared "in spec" by CIP. Caused considerable grumbling and gnashing of teeth, and whiule we do apologize, there was literally nothing we could do about this one. Curiously, I heard several complaints (or threats) of customers switching over to Norma and so on. Good luck. They're also a CIP company and have to abide by exactly the same specs we do . . . and our brass is harder.

Bryan, I've handled Dasher brass on something of a case by case basis, and as was mentioned, the cases are being used outside their intended venue. No matter. If you want to drop me a line, we can always talk it over, and I'll be happy to work with you.

Kevin Thomas
NAMMO/Lapua
409 E. Second St.
Sedalia, MO 65302
(660) 826-3232
kthomas@nammoinc.com

 

[DJSBRS]

At least you admit on Lapua's behalf they changed their process for their own reasons, thus the quality for our use in USA has suffered due to the thinner neck walls. It has been very frustrating lately making Dasher brass out of less than quality Lapua brass with inside (sometimes outside) imperfections.

Also, a note on the extractor groove cut on the 6BR have not been consistent to utilize custom shell holders with tight tolerances as well.

Thank you very much for your candid response Kevin.

DJ

DJ's Brass Service

 

[BenPerfected]

Ah, the infamous thinned case necks! Yeah, sorry about that, but we had absdolutely no say in that one. As you know, we are a Finnish company, and fall under the auspices of CIP, rather than SAAMI. Unlike SAAMI, which is a strictly voluntary organization, CIP has force of law behind them. Member companies are forced, by law, to adhere to their standards, dimensions, and practices. Companies adhere to SAAMI specs because that way things tend to work well together; Remington ammo in Winchester rifles, and so on. In the CIP world, a company theat makes things outside their specs can actually be shut down. That's what happened with the 6mm BR case. We didn't change the specs (which we can't legally do anyway) but we did change where we run our cases within those specs. We normally run all of our specs at the high end of the scale, dimensionally speaking. This was also true for the "old" 6mm BR case. Since we make ammo that has to pass certain CIP gage tests, we ran afoul of them in that loaded ammo. They had some ammo that wouldn't freely pass into the case neck gage, which they deemed "out of spec." We're talking about a few ten-thou difference, but enough that they felt the drag and called it oversize. For that reason, we had to move the specs we ran these cases back just a tad closer to the middle of the tolerance range. In all, the case necks were thinned by just a few ten-thousandths, just enough to where they cleared the inspectors gage, and were declared "in spec" by CIP. Caused considerable grumbling and gnashing of teeth, and whiule we do apologize, there was literally nothing we could do about this one. Curiously, I heard several complaints (or threats) of customers switching over to Norma and so on. Good luck. They're also a CIP company and have to abide by exactly the same specs we do . . . and our brass is harder.

Bryan, I've handled Dasher brass on something of a case by case basis, and as was mentioned, the cases are being used outside their intended venue. No matter. If you want to drop me a line, we can always talk it over, and I'll be happy to work with you.

Kevin Thomas
NAMMO/Lapua
409 E. Second St.
Sedalia, MO 65302
(660) 826-3232
kthomas@nammoinc.com

Hi Kevin,
I would like to thank you and Lapua for your continuing support of the shooting sports in the USA. I felt it was my responsibility as a new Accurate Shooter member to post my problem. I now better understand Lapua's position and reasoning. Your company's transparency is refreshing. Sometimes we forget that not every large corporation behaves like the old GM. Today, my current Dasher brass will hold me until the new factory Dasher cases are available.
Thanks for the offer,
Ben

 

[KevinThomas]

DJ,

You need to reread my response. Complying with CIP edicts is in no way, shape or form "our own reasons," but legally binding upon us, Norma, SAKO or any other CIP member organization.

 

[DJSBRS]

Understood Kevin.

Thanks for your reply.

DJ

DJ's Brass Service

 

[comagutsa]

i too have had a problem with my Lapua 6BR brass
these have only been fired twice with 30.6gr of 2208/varget and 105gr hybrids .010 off the lands, i haven't found anymore in the box since these 2 (rest now shot about 6 times)
and shoot a no turn neck .272 so i don't touch them

 

[KevinThomas]

Give me a call or a quick email, and I'll be happy to replace these for you. The location of the split tells me that this is exactly the type of fold I've described. Up in the necks, that's probably on you. In the shoulder, yeah, that's on us.

Kevin Thomas
NAMMO/Lapua
409 E. Second St.
Sedalia, MO 65392
(660) 826-3232
kthomas@nammoinc.com

 

[cdngary]

Hi Keven; Are you the Lapua Rep. for North America or is there some one in Canada to help us guy's that have this same problem.

 

[comagutsa]

Give me a call or a quick email, and I'll be happy to replace these for you. The location of the split tells me that this is exactly the type of fold I've described. Up in the necks, that's probably on you. In the shoulder, yeah, that's on us.

Kevin Thomas
NAMMO/Lapua
409 E. Second St.
Sedalia, MO 65392
(660) 826-3232
kthomas@nammoinc.com

i would mate but being in Perth, Western Australia sending me replacements would be to much paper work and crap .. all good mate as i have only found 2 so far
cheers
Pethy

 

[CSM19Z5M]

I have gone through about 700+ rounds of new Blue box Lapua brass in .223 and 6BR and haven't found a single unusable case. Had a couple slightly dented necks but they loaded up fine. Guess I am living right these days.

 

[LRPV]

If you have gone through over 7 boxes of Lapua 6BR brass and haven't found a single piece with the shoulder fold, then yes, you are very lucky and in my opinion should begin playing the lottery and think really hard about a trip to Vegas.

 

[Webster]

I would anneal all of the cases that look OK before using them. There might exist high stress levels that have not yet resulted in cracks. It's possible that cracks may appear after shooting a few times. Maybe the Lapua Rep can comment on whether annealing would be good insurance. Did Lapua annealed them after they cracked and missed the problem?

 

[ridgeway]

This is the issue of concern. Take a very good look at the picture below and you can see all the folds on the shoulder. All the folds are the weak spot. Lapua WILL take care of this...

 

[bsumoba]

Out of 300 that I checked over the weekend, I had 2 out 300. I might go through them again to make sure I didn't miss any as I don't like to go through the process of requesting replacements multiple times for one-sy-twosy's

 

[25AI260]

an i thought my chamber was doing that [the picture above] i didn't inspect new brass when i got them, i guess i just learned something at 71yrs ole my eyes not all that good... i have a bunch like that they still seem to shoot ok... i guess

 

[Recko555]

Found 3 more. Ugh...

 

[338 Mollett]

I had a whole batch of Winchester 270 wsm with those shoulder flaws, some went all the way around.They were replaced by Winchester quickly !

 

[lrgoodger]

Huh! I didn't know you could get the bad ones replaced. Like others said, I've found one in every other box of 6BR (10 boxes so far). Only 1 bad one out of 500 6.5x284.

 

[Terry Altom]

Just checked my two new boxes of 6mmBR brass. Of course I've got lot P00726201 that DJ commented on a while back and saw a few with folds already.