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Lathe for gunsmithing.

Spindle lengths
17.375" PM-1440HVT-2 (might be able to handle shortest barrel around 22" thru spindle)
15.5" PM-1440GT
13.75" PM-1340GT
 

I am considering a Trak CNC/Manual. Full CNC with easy teach and also functions as a manual.

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Try and get your hands on one and see what/how the handwheels feel like. Can you touch off without breaking an insert? Stuff like can be important. The handwheels on my Haas are just like a manual machine. I use the jog function for certain things.
 
Try and get your hands on one and see what/how the handwheels feel like. Can you touch off without breaking an insert? Stuff like can be important. The handwheels on my Haas are just like a manual machine. I use the jog function for certain things.

Copy that.
 

If I wasn't in the middle of wrangling cats with the new building and moving my machines I might grab me a quick flight up to Jersey and try this thing out.

If one is not familiar with the Trak machines you really need to take a look at these things. You put one of these together with a True Bore Chuck and you might have something.
 
I’m a hobby machinist and can’t comment on a lathe, however, as a general contractor for nicer than average additions, second story additions, full basement replacements, and full strip to the stud remodels we did a lot of concrete of all kinds and can offer a few ideas for the space the lathe is going in.

If the lathe is going in a section of your garage, a purpose built outbuilding, or other space within your home, the concrete pad a heavy lathe, milling machine or surface grinder sits on will be less problematic down the road if it’s beefed up over normal residential practices.

Residential concrete slabs are normally 4” thick, with little rebar reinforcement, over a minimal layer of compacted road base gravel, or just resting on whatever dirt was there naturally. With natural settling, slight voids often show up under the slab, but that’s still enough to park a car on, or build a room over without any issues.

When a heavy object is placed in one spot for an extended period of time, the slab responds much like a paper plate at a bbq and it‘s not uncommon for edges to sink, cracks to develop, or the whole slab to move unevenly. That can cause the lathe to need releveling throughout the year until you get tired of it and have the slab reinforced.

A thickened slab retrofit entails cutting a rectangle out of the existing slab at least a few feet wider than where the lathe is going, digging out any inappropriate backfill down at least a foot and a half or so, adding compacted roadbase gravel, and pouring a new much thicker slab reinforced with rebar. Concrete is relatively cheap so I would suggest an 8” -10” slab, but there are expansive soil types that expand and contract with the seasons that benefit from thicker slabs and other moisture mitigation strategies. If an entire large area were replaced I‘ve worked with some engineers that would say a reinforced 6” slab will support 3,000 lbs per square foot, while another would spec out 12” for vibration damping.

If it’s going in a new outbuilding, radiant heat in the floor is ok, just keep it well outside the footprint of the machine.

Smoke from cutting oil and fumes from solvents are super easy to vent, but depending on your climate, conditioning the makeup air becomes the limiting factor, so the closer an exhaust duct is to the source, the better off you are.

Sounds like you’ll have a nice setup.
 
Great machine. God knows I spend a lot of time on one but not versatile in the new configuration with no hand wheels. Mine a 2009 is a computer assisted manual machine. Nothing much manual about the current machines. Also you still need the experience you get from working on a manual machine.
I was unaware that the newer models had changed. That is a one of the features that made that lathe attractive to me. My cnc bridgeport is like that it has handles that can be used like a manual machine. I have to be a bit more careful when using it the ball screws take out the "feedback" and you can break tools.
 
If an entire large area were replaced I‘ve worked with some engineers that would say a reinforced 6” slab will support 3,000 lbs per square foot, while another would spec out 12” for vibration damping.
Concrete is rated in lbs per square inch. Even residential is 2500 - 4000 psi after 28 days curing time. There are 2 kinds of concrete. 1 is cracked, the other is going to crack. When I poured my shop slab, the local plant was mixing for a state bridge pour, where my lathe and mill is sitting is 6000 psi mix. 6" thick. You could park a D8 dozer on it.
 
I used to know a maintenance supervisor that would put up a 12" I-beam to support a nut runner... because it was "extra stout".

Typical Gunsmith lathes are very light duty machines... I've been running my business making quite good barrels for three years now with my machines set on a garage floor.

This is my new shop floor. I didn't take any pictures of the rebar but it has 2 foot deep 18" footers per Tulsa code. Rebar is 1/2" 12" on center per code. I'm sure it's just fine. 6" deep pour.
 

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Concrete is rated in lbs per square inch. Even residential is 2500 - 4000 psi after 28 days curing time. There are 2 kinds of concrete. 1 is cracked, the other is going to crack. When I poured my shop slab, the local plant was mixing for a state bridge pour, where my lathe and mill is sitting is 6000 psi mix. 6" thick. You could park a D8 dozer on it.
You are correct about concrete ratings. For residential slabs the engineers are typically designing slabs for ground pressure - the pounds per square foot is a measure of support under the slab, not the psi of the concrete.
 

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