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Kahles K1050

dcali

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I just pulled the trigger on a Kahles K1050. (Thanks, Covid!). I don't even have it on the rifle yet, but wow. If this thing lives up to my first impressions, it's quite an amazing piece of hardware. Incredibly well thought out details. Makes my Nightforce Competition seem cheap.

Anyone have one of these? Experiences good or bad?
 
I had one and thought it was a great scope. I traded it for the newest Kahles 624 for a different application. I like the parallax adjustment and the left side windage. Kahles are definitely top shelf rifle scopes.......Congrats on your purchase......:cool:

Regards
Rick
 
I had 2. Have 1 left. I was real disappointed. Nowhere near the clarity of a NF Comp. I had at least 8 of their hunting scopes and they were so clear it was scary. I got these from a relative over in Italy because I didn't want the MOAK reticle and that's the only reticle they offer in the states. The only thing positive about them is that they hold POI great but that's about it. I showed a few fellow competitors it and they were not impressed either.
 
I had 2. Have 1 left. I was real disappointed. Nowhere near the clarity of a NF Comp. I had at least 8 of their hunting scopes and they were so clear it was scary. I got these from a relative over in Italy because I didn't want the MOAK reticle and that's the only reticle they offer in the states. The only thing positive about them is that they hold POI great but that's about it. I showed a few fellow competitors it and they were not impressed either.
Interesting. I'll have to look through them on the range side by side. Just looking out the window, mine seems to be quite clear and I can't see any sign of any optical aberrations. Seems at least as good as my NF Comp, which is also excellent in the glass department.
 
I have had four but returned the first one for a replacement as it seemed to "white out" and I could not see well thru it. The replacement was so good that I've bought two more since.

This was after two NF Comps that failed to hold POI. NF's customer service treated me like the village idiot (sometimes debatable) and claimed they had NEVER had a Comp fail.

I am very happy with the Kahles glass and especially the 20 moa per revolution turrent adjustment. I really like the reticle and the eyebox is comparable if not better than the Comp.
 
I have had four but returned the first one for a replacement as it seemed to "white out" and I could not see well thru it. The replacement was so good that I've bought two more since.

This was after two NF Comps that failed to hold POI. NF's customer service treated me like the village idiot (sometimes debatable) and claimed they had NEVER had a Comp fail.

I am very happy with the Kahles glass and especially the 20 moa per revolution turrent adjustment. I really like the reticle and the eyebox is comparable if not better than the Comp.
That's how my two seemed. Like I was looking thru it on a foggy day. Very Murky looking.
 
Have two and love them. Glass is not quite as bright as my NF Comps but plenty fine for what I do
Love the reticle and the fact that I don't have to worry about shifting point of aim.
 
I have a 1050 and have mixed feelings, the ergonomics are top notch, but the glass leaves alot to be desired. I can set two rifles next to each other, one with a NF 1555, and the NF glass is far superior. The issue mentioned about the white haze has been acknowledged by the factory as a problem, I have minimized the issue with sun shades and screw on photographic filters.
I dought I'd buy another.
 
Compared one to a NF 8-32 NXS and it was only marginally better. I didn't have my 10-60 March that day to do a side by side comparison, buy I'm sure the March would have been better.
I hope this helps,

Lloyd
 
That's how my two seemed. Like I was looking thru it on a foggy day. Very Murky looking.

Jim my friend had one that did the same thing, couldn't believe how bad it looked until we put it next to my March 10 X 60 HM, couldn't see the rings on a 600yd target on our 480yd range with the Kahles, with the March we could easily see the rings and the 6mm bullet holes. After reading these mixed reviews I can only say, since I'm not a gambler, it's way to much coin to shoot craps with.
 
After playing around with it a little more in various lighting conditions, a few thoughts for people who might be considering a Kahles vs the Nightforce. I've found the K1050 to be every bit as clear as my Nighforce Competition, but in the glass department, the Nightforce is better. The main reason being that the Kahles shows a noticeable amount of chromatic aberration (purple fringing) at magnifications over 35x or so. Below that level of magnification, I have a hard time distinguishing between the two. And the Kahles only shows it when looking at very high contrast, brightly lit images. But if I were picking solely on image quality, the Nightforce is better. I've been shooting a Nightforce Comp for about 6 years - one of the very first ones off the line of the newer model, and have yet to notice a real world situation where I noticed any purple. It may be there on super bright contrasty targets, but I haven't yet seen it.

The parallax adjustment on the Kahles is different than most scopes. there is a larger ring that goes around the base of the elevation turret that's used to adjust parallax. It's fairly stiff to turn, and kept out of the way of being bumped (as compared to a side focus scope). This has pluses and minuses in my book. I can take it or leave it. I do find myself worrying about accidentally bumping the Nighfroce focus and just being a little off without noticing it. I don't think that's realistically possible with the Kahles. The Kahles is a bit more awkward to adjust, though.

The elevation turret on the K1050 is perfection. The knob itself is big, the markings are clear, and there are 20 MOA per turn. It's unambiguously clear which turn you are because there is an indicator on top of knob that pops up as you turn the turret. There is no guessing which hash the turret knob is actually lined up with. And the markings don't just repeat 0-20 as you turn. There are three levels of markings - 0-20, 20-40, and 40-60. It might be a bit busy for some, but I love it. It's really nice to be able to walk away from the scope for weeks and come back and know exactly where it's set just by looking, and it's one less thing to think about on the firing line. Overall the turrets are a significant step up from Nightforce in my opinion. They're a little stiffer, the tactile feedback on the clicks is a little more pronounced, and they're bigger in diameter.

Not having shot the two side by side yet (or the Kahles at all), I think the Nightforce is a better value and has better glass. But the elevation turret makes the Kahles worth the extra money to me, as I don't care much about glass quality past a certain point. If the reputation for holding POI proved to be true, the Kahles is hands down better. I haven't noticed any POI changes on my Nighforce, or if it's there, it tabilizes over a couple shots. It's hard to distinguish between cold bore and cold scope. But it's a consideration, as these aren't cheap scopes.

I'll get both to the range in a few weeks to give them a thorough comparison, but these are my initial impressions.
 
After playing around with it a little more in various lighting conditions, a few thoughts for people who might be considering a Kahles vs the Nightforce. I've found the K1050 to be every bit as clear as my Nighforce Competition, but in the glass department, the Nightforce is better. The main reason being that the Kahles shows a noticeable amount of chromatic aberration (purple fringing) at magnifications over 35x or so. Below that level of magnification, I have a hard time distinguishing between the two. And the Kahles only shows it when looking at very high contrast, brightly lit images. But if I were picking solely on image quality, the Nightforce is better. I've been shooting a Nightforce Comp for about 6 years - one of the very first ones off the line of the newer model, and have yet to notice a real world situation where I noticed any purple. It may be there on super bright contrasty targets, but I haven't yet seen it.

The parallax adjustment on the Kahles is different than most scopes. there is a larger ring that goes around the base of the elevation turret that's used to adjust parallax. It's fairly stiff to turn, and kept out of the way of being bumped (as compared to a side focus scope). This has pluses and minuses in my book. I can take it or leave it. I do find myself worrying about accidentally bumping the Nighfroce focus and just being a little off without noticing it. I don't think that's realistically possible with the Kahles. The Kahles is a bit more awkward to adjust, though.

The elevation turret on the K1050 is perfection. The knob itself is big, the markings are clear, and there are 20 MOA per turn. It's unambiguously clear which turn you are because there is an indicator on top of knob that pops up as you turn the turret. There is no guessing which hash the turret knob is actually lined up with. And the markings don't just repeat 0-20 as you turn. There are three levels of markings - 0-20, 20-40, and 40-60. It might be a bit busy for some, but I love it. It's really nice to be able to walk away from the scope for weeks and come back and know exactly where it's set just by looking, and it's one less thing to think about on the firing line. Overall the turrets are a significant step up from Nightforce in my opinion. They're a little stiffer, the tactile feedback on the clicks is a little more pronounced, and they're bigger in diameter.

Not having shot the two side by side yet (or the Kahles at all), I think the Nightforce is a better value and has better glass. But the elevation turret makes the Kahles worth the extra money to me, as I don't care much about glass quality past a certain point. If the reputation for holding POI proved to be true, the Kahles is hands down better. I haven't noticed any POI changes on my Nighforce, or if it's there, it tabilizes over a couple shots. It's hard to distinguish between cold bore and cold scope. But it's a consideration, as these aren't cheap scopes.

I'll get both to the range in a few weeks to give them a thorough comparison, but these are my initial impressions.
Well I called SONA in Cranston, RI and my scope is on it's way there and then is getting shipped back to Austria. The Kahles facility just reopened back up after shutting down for 2 months due to the Corona virus. they told me it was going to be 8 weeks by the time I get it back. I hope they fix the murkiness of that scope. Time will tell.
 
It’s a different price class, but the Vortex Golden Eagle is absolutely worth checking out. You might find it meets your needs better than you thought it could at a lower price point.

I got mine for $1100. I see no LCA. It’s incredibly bright and clear through most of the range of magnification. It gets notably darker above 40x. The FOV isn’t great, but that’s to be expected. Everything else seems great. The glass is far better than you’d ever think a $1500 optic could be.

I’m sure a more expensive scope could be better in some ways, but I’m confident that anything “nicer” is far beyond the point of diminishing returns. A tiny improvement comes at a substantial premium.
 
Is the kahles worth the extra cost over the golden eagle. If it is better, in what ways is it better? How does the glass compare?
 

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